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security establishment, the funding was pulled, and the program ended. However, while AAWSAP was
active, the prime contractor, BAASS owner Robert Bigelow, made a bold attempt to acquire physical
proof of UFO crashes. It has been widely reported over many years that aerospace titan Lockheed
Martin is one of the defense contractors entrusted with mystery material and perhaps entire craft. The
principal facility at Groom Lake was built to be a safe haven and testing ground for Lockheed’s
legendary spy plane, the U-2. Later, it was home to the A-12, the first of the “Blackbird” super planes,
also designed by Lockheed. Could it be true that Lockheed was a repository for intact saucers, crash
debris, or perhaps bodies? Robert Bigelow decided to find out.
This is no longer a rumor. I have confirmed that Bigelow and a trusted colleague met with and
negotiated with a senior executive at Lockheed and hammered out a deal wherein Bigelow’s company,
BAASS, would receive a quantity of unusual material that Lockheed was safeguarding at a facility in
California. A source who was in the room for that discussion has confirmed this. The material was not
made here. It contained no unknown element, no unobtanium, but its composition suggested it had
been crafted in a zero-gravity environment—in other words, space. As far as anyone knows, we do not
have any manufacturing plants in space, nor does anyone else. The agreement was not completed.
There are two reasons for that.
People can believe it or not, there is a crash recovery program, and reverse engineering has been
underway for a long time, with limited success. A veteran intelligence operative, David Grusch, who
documented the existence of such programs while working with the UAP Task Force, testified to
Congress back in 2023 about this. That testimony was under oath. Mr. Grusch now works for
Representative Burlison as an advisor on these matters.
Topic Three: The Russia Files
As one of the planet’s other nuclear superpowers, do the Russians also have a program to study UFOs
and crashes and materials? The answer is yes.
The Task Force now has copies of documents I obtained from the Russian Ministry of Defense and
from affiliated organizations back in the ’90s. Some of this material has been reported to the public
over the years, but only a few pages of the original documents have been shared. I was asked to share
the most important papers with BAASS and the DIA and did so because I wanted someone way
smarter than me to figure out whether they are legit and what they mean. AAWSAP did that.
The documents and interviews I obtained in my 1993 visit to Moscow show that the USSR launched
what is almost certainly the largest UFO investigation in world history. The first phase included a
standing order to every element of the vast Soviet military empire to fully investigate every UFO
sighting, whether it was a craft, orb, unusual ball of light, or other kinds of close encounters. The
military witnesses were to be interviewed, evidence including photos, drawings, and physical effects
were to be gathered, and all of the material was to be forwarded to a single office at the Ministry of
Defense. That program lasted a full ten years, 1978–1988, and possibly longer, and then another
program grew out of that, dubbed “Thread III,” which seemed to be an analysis program that also
monitored UFO cases, news reports, and government interest in the U.S. and other Western nations.
The purpose of these efforts was very simple, as told to me by Colonel Boris Sokolov, who was head
of the MOD program. He said that many thousands of reports were collected during his part of the
program for the purpose of figuring out the technology that UFOs displayed—unpredictable