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AARO Invitations to Interview Mr. David Grusch

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This Memorandum for Record from the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO), dated January 8, 2024, lists AARO's repeated efforts between June 2023 and January 2024 to interview David Grusch for its congressionally directed Historical Record Report. Grusch agreed to an interview on November 14, 2023, but did not appear, and he cited concerns about classified information. AARO concluded he had no intention of providing information. The release also includes email threads, text messages and authorization memoranda from DoD and ODNI.

(b)(6) Kozik David A SES OSD OUSD INTEL & SEC USA (b)(5)
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Subject: RE: Dave Grusch
He cannot tell SASC staff ANYTHING once he entered the IG process. We are forbidden from even asking. Furthermore,
if a waived SAP is involved, he cannot talk to SASC staff about it because we are not accessed.
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Subject: RE: Dave Grusch
Tracking thanks Sean!
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From: Kirkpatrick, Sean M HQE OSD OUSD INTEL & SEC (USAl (b)( )
Sent: Wednesda June 7 2023 6:53 PM '--------------~
To (b)(6) Kozik, David A SES OSD OUSD
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Subject: Re: Dave Grusch
Let me expand a bit.
I know everything he was briefed to and had access to, and have far greater access. So he did not have access to some
DoD SAP that the IC didn't have (and if he did, he could've told you). Similarly, he didn't have access to some IC CAP that
couldn't be shared. If he "found" some program, he wouldn't know who's it was unless he had super user access or
someone who did helped him look it up. He didn't. Therefore, he can't make the argument that whatever he "found"
couldn't be shared. If he or others thought it was an illegal program, then again, he can't make the argument that it
couldn't be shared with either the DoD or the IC committees based on his assertion they didn't have clearances. It
sounds very much like playing the two halves against the middle to hide something.
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Su ject: RE: Dave Gruse
Sean - press reports indicate that he said he could not provide everything he knows to the INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEES
because they were not cleared, so I concluded that he had access to some DOD SAP that the Intel Committee are not
accessed to - and inferred that the IC IG would not have access either.
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From: Kirkpatrick, Sean M HQE OSD OUSD INTEL & SEC (USA)l (b)( )
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2023 5:50 PM ._______________.
Toi (b)(5) fozik, David A SES OSD OUSD
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