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PA-AARO RoundTableTranscript 11-15-24 (FOIA 25-F-3931)

Office of the Secretary of Defense · 2024-11-15 · 40 pages · text from the file's own layer

This Office of the Secretary of Defense FOIA release (25-F-3931) holds Public Affairs emails from November 14 and 15, 2024, plus the transcript of a media roundtable with AARO Director Jon Kosloski on the FY24 Consolidated Annual Report on UAP. Kosloski said AARO had received over 1,600 reports and found no verifiable evidence of extraterrestrial beings, activity or technology. He said the Langley incidents were UAV activity. The release also includes a Hill article covering the report.

  • p. 4 …decades at the National Security Agency where I did advanced research in the areas of optics…
  • p. 5 …None of the cases resolved by AARO have pointed to advanced capabilities or breakthrough technologies. It…
  • p. 6 …And then, after the hearing on the Hill yesterday, lawmakers were saying that they are really…
  • p. 7 …We are going to be starting with the traditional allies of the DOD and the IC…
  • p. 17 …None of the cases resolved by AARO have pointed to advanced capabilities or breakthrough technologies either…
  • p. 25 …Luis Elizondo, the former head of the now-defunct Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program that investigated…
  • p. 26 Grusch alleged the U.S. government has run a secret program to reverse-engineer nonhuman material…
  • p. 32 …Luis Elizondo, the former head of the now-defunct Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program that investigated…
  • p. 33 In the Thursday report, AARO identified 18 reports of UAP sightings near U.S. nuclear weapons…
  • p. 38 …Luis Elizondo, the former head of the now-defunct Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program that investigated…
  • p. 39 …Two of the sightings involved flights of near an hour and near two hours. All the…
that -- the UAP cases that you can't resolve are not potentially breakthrough technologies? Or is
it that you just haven't been able to conclusively decide either way?
DR. KOSLOSKI: That's exactly right. So we don't fully understand the phenomenon enough to
say whether or not it's a breakthrough technology or not. So it's a very small percentage of our
overall cases that after the initial analysis still have the anomalous characteristics that one could
attribute breakthrough technologies to. It's less than 3.5% of our cases. And we're still studying
those with our IC and S&T partners, trying to understand what technologies could be used to
provide those characteristics.
But we don't understand them well enough to say whether it's a breakthrough technology, a
misunderstanding of the sensor performance or something else.
Q: And a skeptic might say that, you know, if you -- just because you can't explain it isn't a
reason to assume that it's not a breakthrough technology or I mean by the definition of
breakthrough technology would be something that you don't have -- if you don't have it, you
can't explain, right?
DR. KOSLOSKI: Agree 100%. So, we're not ruling it out. We're open to that as an explanation for
it. But we're just not attributing breakthrough technology as the explanation to it. We're -- an
open mind works both ways. So if we don't understand what it is, we can't say that it is or is not
a breakthrough technology. So we're just trying to keep an open mind.
Q: Got it. It's not a catch 22.
DR. KOSLOSKI: Right.
Q: (inaudible) OK.
DR. KOSLOSKI: Yes. It -- we accept that the explanation could be a misunderstanding of ours in
interpreting the data or it could be a breakthrough technology. Until we understand, we don't
know.
Q: Thank you. Brad Dress, for The Hill. Have you found anything that might be a breakthrough
technology? I know you're saying you don't know if there are breakthroughs yet, but something
that might be a breakthrough technology near the military sites, some of those sightings you've
seen near the military sites, have you found anything that might be that? Or are they all just
been drones and UAS?
DR. KOSLOSKI: It's definitely not all just drones and UAS. So we have several particularly
interesting cases. We're working on within the office, working with our partners to downgrade
several of those cases, so we can talk about them publicly. But there are interesting cases that I,
with my physics and engineering background and time in the IC, I do not understand. And I
don't know anybody else who understands them either.

Cases discussed

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