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This is the official transcript of a July 26, 2023 hearing held by the House Committee on Oversight and Accountability's Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs, titled "Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency." Witnesses Ryan Graves, David Grusch and retired Commander David Fravor testified under oath. Members pressed for transparency, and Graves described a near midair encounter with a cube inside a clear sphere.

  • p. 11 …and researcher tell me that we should never rule any- thing out. We know that our…
  • p. 18 …What you do not see is the radar tape that was never released, and we do…
  • p. 38 …That jet was never built to be an ISR platform, and it is a pain in…
  • p. 40 …do not—you know, they tell you never to acknowledge tradecraft, right. So, what I personally…
  • p. 43 …I have actually never seen anything personally, be- lieve it or not. Ms. MACE. All right…
  • p. 44 …it just sat somewhere in a file. Never got reported. Ms. MACE. In a drawer. It…
  • p. 45 …We never saw it on our radars. Our fire control radars never picked it up. The…
  • p. 46 …No, and never felt threatened at all. Mr. LANGWORTHY. If the aircraft was armed do you…
  • p. 50 …I never felt that we were alone with all the planets out there. But I was…
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Obviously, I think several of us are going to look forward to get-
ting some answers in a more confidential setting. I assume some
legislation will come out of this.
Mr. BURCHETT. I apologize, Mr. Chairman. I need to compliment
the folks in my office that did a lot of the work on this. Rachel and
Noah sitting behind me here, they are very quiet and humble. But
without them this thing would not have come off like it did. So, I
apologize.
Mr. GROTHMAN. Thank you. I think we are going to want to look
into what we can do to make more of this information public. I
think there is certainly a time period after which it should always
be made public and people have been concerned about these issues,
like I said, since I was in high school.
But in any event, I would like to thank everybody who was here
sticking through the entire hearing.
Without objection, the Members will have five legislative days to
submit materials and to submit additional written questions for the
witnesses, which will be forwarded to the witnesses for their re-
sponse.
If there is no further business, without objection, the Sub-
committee stands adjourned.
[Whereupon, at 12:22 p.m., the Subcommittee was adjourned.]
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