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This is the official transcript of a July 26, 2023 hearing held by the House Committee on Oversight and Accountability's Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs, titled "Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency." Witnesses Ryan Graves, David Grusch and retired Commander David Fravor testified under oath. Members pressed for transparency, and Graves described a near midair encounter with a cube inside a clear sphere.

  • p. 11 …and researcher tell me that we should never rule any- thing out. We know that our…
  • p. 18 …What you do not see is the radar tape that was never released, and we do…
  • p. 38 …That jet was never built to be an ISR platform, and it is a pain in…
  • p. 40 …do not—you know, they tell you never to acknowledge tradecraft, right. So, what I personally…
  • p. 43 …I have actually never seen anything personally, be- lieve it or not. Ms. MACE. All right…
  • p. 44 …it just sat somewhere in a file. Never got reported. Ms. MACE. In a drawer. It…
  • p. 45 …We never saw it on our radars. Our fire control radars never picked it up. The…
  • p. 46 …No, and never felt threatened at all. Mr. LANGWORTHY. If the aircraft was armed do you…
  • p. 50 …I never felt that we were alone with all the planets out there. But I was…
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C O N T E N T S
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Hearing held on July 26, 2023 ............................................................................... 1
WITNESSES
Mr. Ryan Graves, Executive Director, Americans for Safe Aerospace
Oral Statement ........................................................................................................ 10
Mr. David Grusch, Former National Reconnaissance Office Representative,
Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force, Department of Defense
Oral Statement ........................................................................................................ 11
Commander David Fravor (Ret.), Former Commanding Officer, United States
Navy
Oral Statement ........................................................................................................ 12
Written opening statements and statements for the witnesses are available
on the U.S. House of Representatives Document Repository at:
docs.house.gov.
INDEX OF DOCUMENTS
* Report, Jeremy Corbell, ‘‘The UAP Puzzle’’; submitted by Rep. Burchett.
* Statement for the Record, by George Knapp; submitted by Rep. Burchett.
* Defense Intelligence Reference Document, ‘‘Advanced Space Propulsion
Based on Vacuum (Spacetime Metric) Engineering’’; submitted by Rep.
Burchett.
* Article, NewsNation, ‘‘We are not alone: The UFO whistleblower speaks’’;
submitted by Rep. Luna.
Documents are available at: docs.house.gov.

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