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This is the transcript of a joint hearing held November 13, 2024 by two subcommittees of the U.S. House Committee on Oversight and Accountability, chaired by Rep. Nancy Mace. The witnesses were Tim Gallaudet, Luis Elizondo, Michael Shellenberger and Michael Gold. They addressed government secrecy, AARO's transparency, a Pentagon document on the alleged Immaculate Constellation program, threats to pilot safety, and UAP activity near nuclear and military sites. Members also discussed UAP disclosure legislation.
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48 Mr. OGLES. So, I think it is reasonable to conclude that if there is a threat to our personnel who are serving our country faithfully, that there be oversight. Dr. GALLAUDET. One hundred percent, Congressman. And, in fact, that is the one thing that we have not talked about enough during this hearing, the fact that the government, the exec- utive branch, not sharing with Congress what it knows about UAP infringes on your legislative and oversight responsibilities to such an extent that it is very concerning. I mean, what else are we— if you look at national security or intelligence or foreign affairs or appropriations, you all have oversight and legislative responsibility regarding those. This UAP issue may be the greatest issue of our time, and it is being hid from you. Mr. OGLES. Well, I mean, and to your point, I think we have seen over the decades that we have certain adversaries, like China, like Russia, that, technologically speaking, are not as advanced as us, that they lack some of the lethality that we have, and that we have seen that they have gone after our technologies and in some cases succeeded, in particular with missile technology. And so, again, my concern: Whether this technology emanates from us or otherworldly, that we know that we possess it. And where is the accountability? Where are the stopgaps? What are the guarantees that if this were to fall in enemy hands that it is not immediately weaponized against us? And I will say this. It is clear from my experience and what I have seen that there is something out there. The question is, is it ours, is it someone else’s, or is it otherworldly? And, Madam Chairwoman, I would posit that, as the legislative body, as the regulatory body, we must know. And anyone who pre- vents us from gaining access to that information, I would consider that criminality. Because we have U.S. personnel who may very well be in harm’s way, we have technology that ultimately may threaten our very existence. With that, Madam Chairman, I thank you for your indulgence, and I yield back. Ms. MACE. Thank you, Mr. Ogles. And with that and without objection, all Members will have 5 legislative days within which to submit materials and to submit ad- ditional written questions for the witnesses, which will be for- warded to the witnesses for their response. If there is no further business, without objection, the Sub- committee stands adjourned. [Whereupon, at 1:45 p.m., the Subcommittee was adjourned.] Æ
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