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This is the transcript of a joint hearing held November 13, 2024 by two subcommittees of the U.S. House Committee on Oversight and Accountability, chaired by Rep. Nancy Mace. The witnesses were Tim Gallaudet, Luis Elizondo, Michael Shellenberger and Michael Gold. They addressed government secrecy, AARO's transparency, a Pentagon document on the alleged Immaculate Constellation program, threats to pilot safety, and UAP activity near nuclear and military sites. Members also discussed UAP disclosure legislation.
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42 there are holes in it, whether it be UAP of non-HI direction, or NHI direction, or, as you say, sir, China or any other adversary. Mr. TIMMONS. Are y’all aware of any task force at the Pentagon or in the national security apparatus that is trying to assess the answer to that question? Dr. GALLAUDET. At the current moment, sir, no, but that is a great point. From 2020 to 2022, there was a UAP task force in the DoD suc- ceeding where Mr. Elizondo worked, led by Jay Stratton, who had the first comprehensive, whole-of-government approach to UAP, which involved pathways to declassification and to increased trans- parency, as well as assessing the national security risk of UAP. This was a really well-established approach, and we have all ad- vocated that something like it return. Mr. TIMMONS. Thank you. I am running out of time. The last thing is that we need authori- ties. Law enforcement, military do not have authorities to actually engage, and we need to—Congress needs to act to give those au- thorities to local law enforcement and the military so they have clear guidelines on how to assess these issues going forward. I yield back. Thank you. Ms. MACE. Thank you. I would like to recognize Ms. Boebert for 5 minutes of ques- tioning. Ms. BOEBERT. Thank you, Madam Chair. Now that we have all been cautioned in this Committee hearing that the mention of Pentagon’s Immaculate Constellation program could put us on a list—well, I already find myself on many lists, I am sure, so—I speak my mind often, so why not just keep going with it? May as well just go all out and say it: The Earth is flat, birds are government drones, and we have never set foot on the Moon. And Joe Biden received 81 million votes in the 2020 election. So, let us just see how many lists we could get on here today. But, Mr. Shellenberger, I wanted to ask you: I think I under- stand from this hearing that you would agree that classifying infor- mation like this is not in the best interests of the people. Is that correct? Mr. SHELLENBERGER. Yes, I mean, with the caveat that of course, you know, I would support classification necessary to protect se- crets essential to national security. But I think it is pretty obvious that there is overclassification. Ms. BOEBERT. Over-classification, yes. And so, in most instances, if they cannot tell us what, do you think at some point they will at least tell us why? Mr. SHELLENBERGER. You know, President-elect Trump has re- peatedly committed to greater transparency both on the UAP issue, on JFK files, on—— Ms. BOEBERT. Yes. Mr. SHELLENBERGER [continuing]. COVID origins and many other things. So, I think that we need to make sure that the next administration is held accountable for that. Ms. BOEBERT. Agreed. And this is for all four of you. Yes or no, please. I have many questions I want to get to.
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