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Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Exposing the Truth (hearing transcript)

U.S. House Committee on Oversight and Accountability · 2024-11-13 · 52 pages · text from the file's own layer

This is the transcript of a joint hearing held November 13, 2024 by two subcommittees of the U.S. House Committee on Oversight and Accountability, chaired by Rep. Nancy Mace. The witnesses were Tim Gallaudet, Luis Elizondo, Michael Shellenberger and Michael Gold. They addressed government secrecy, AARO's transparency, a Pentagon document on the alleged Immaculate Constellation program, threats to pilot safety, and UAP activity near nuclear and military sites. Members also discussed UAP disclosure legislation.

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  • p. 6 …It is never easy to present such information publicly. So, I appre- ciate our witnesses voluntarily…
  • p. 14 …Moreover, the Commander of Fleet Forces Command and the operations officer never discussed the subject even…
  • p. 15 …Having never signed a nondisclosure agreement regarding UAPs and now, as a private citizen, I have…
  • p. 17 …In closing, we, as Americans, have never been afraid of a chal- lenge. In fact, we…
  • p. 20 …I have never seen anyone wearing an Office of Personnel Management T- shirt, which is why…
  • p. 21 …the chance to garner new knowledge, should never be ignored. We must be thorough in collecting…
  • p. 29 …I would never, ever try to endorse providing some sort of information that could compromise what…
  • p. 30 …Why do you think the Commander of Fleet Forces operations officer never discussed the incident again…
  • p. 32 …And let me just state for the record, I never read the report that—or the…
  • p. 35 …We could never do good science with that. And let me tell you, the NASA budget…
  • p. 39 …Commander of Fleet Forces and his operations officer never discussed the incident again. Is that accurate?
  • p. 40 …And even during weekly meetings, it was never dis- cussed again. My question for you is…
  • p. 42 …order to make that complete, and that never occurred. And so, when Secretary Mattis became Secretary…
  • p. 46 …The Earth is flat, birds are government drones, and we have never set foot on the…
  • p. 49 …The first hearing we had on this, I had never been briefed on UAPs or what…
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C O N T E N T S
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Hearing held on November 13, 2024 ...................................................................... 1
WITNESSES
Dr. Tim Gallaudet, Rear Admiral, U.S. Navy (RET.), Chief Executive Officer,
Ocean STL Consulting, LLC
Oral Statement ........................................................................................................ 9
Mr. Luis Elizondo, Author, and Former Department of Defense Official
Oral Statement ........................................................................................................ 11
Mr. Michael Shellenberger, Founder of Public
Oral Statement ........................................................................................................ 13
Mr. Michael Gold, Former NASA Associate Administrator of Space Policy
and Partnerships, Member of NASA UAP Independent Study Team
Oral Statement ........................................................................................................ 16
Opening statements and the prepared statements for the witnesses are avail-
able in the U.S. House of Representatives Repository at: docs.house.gov.
INDEX OF DOCUMENTS
* Mellon Hearing Letter; submitted by Rep. Mace.
* Documents related to UAPs; submitted by Rep. Burchett.
* Report, Pentagon, ‘‘Immaculate Constellation’’; submitted by Rep. Mace.
* Questions for the Record: to Mr. Elizondo; submitted by Rep. Burlison.
* Questions for the Record: to Dr. Gallaudet; submitted by Rep. Burlison.
* Questions for the Record: to Mr. Shellenberger; submitted by Rep.
Burlison.
* Questions for the Record: to Mr. Gold; submitted by Rep. Burlison.
The documents listed above are available at: docs.house.gov.

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