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This is the transcript of a joint hearing held November 13, 2024 by two subcommittees of the U.S. House Committee on Oversight and Accountability, chaired by Rep. Nancy Mace. The witnesses were Tim Gallaudet, Luis Elizondo, Michael Shellenberger and Michael Gold. They addressed government secrecy, AARO's transparency, a Pentagon document on the alleged Immaculate Constellation program, threats to pilot safety, and UAP activity near nuclear and military sites. Members also discussed UAP disclosure legislation.
“The Pentagon”12 pages
23 Dr. GALLAUDET. I will speculate, sir, that they do not want to share that kind of information because it reveals weaknesses in our ability to monitor and protect our airspace. Mr. GROTHMAN. OK. In your written testimony, you claim last year’s UAP hearing be- fore this Oversight Committee confirmed that UAP-related infor- mation is—well, it is not only being withheld, but that elements of the government are engaging in a disinformation campaign, to in- clude personal attacks designed to discredit UAP whistleblowers. Could you elaborate on that statement a little? Dr. GALLAUDET. Yes, sir. Earlier this year, I met with the DoD’s All-domain Anomaly Res- olution Office, and what I thought would be a 90-minute meeting just to meet with leadership turned out to be an hours-long influ- ence operation on me, where I was—they attempted to convince me of the validity of the very flawed and error-ridden historical records report. In addition, they tried to have me question very valid UAP re- ports like the Tic Tac incident, even coming to a—stating possibly that the Tic Tac was American technology. And then, of course, if you ask David Fravor or Alex Dietrich, the two witnesses, they were convinced it was otherwise. And then—and they also cast discredit on various UAP whistle- blowers and witnesses to—— Mr. GROTHMAN. OK. Mr. GALLAUDET [continuing]. Question their validity and credi- bility as witnesses. Mr. GROTHMAN. OK. We will go to Mr. Elizondo. I hope I got that right or at least not that wrong. Mr. ELIZONDO. Close enough, sir. Mr. GROTHMAN. You are familiar with the recent drone incursion over Langley Air Force Base? Mr. ELIZONDO. Yes, sir. Mr. GROTHMAN. The owners of the drones remain unclear. The U.S. military has not been able to give us in Congress an answer. Given your experience with the Department of Defense and the intelligence community, how frequently are UAP sightings over military installations? And, second, I suppose hypothetically you could have incursions over just, say, regular airports. Is it obvious these incursions are more likely over military facilities than just a random airport out there? Mr. ELIZONDO. Yes, sir, there is definitely enough data to suggest that there is certainly some sort of relationship between sensitive U.S. military installations, also some of our nuclear equities, and also some of our Department of Energy sites. There is a long historical record that some of your colleagues may have, documentation that demonstrates this. This is not a new trend; this has been going on for decades. And that information has been obfuscated, unfortunately, from folks like you and this Com- mittee. And I think that is problematic because, ultimately, at the end of the day, we have a significant situation here. We have some-
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