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This is the transcript of a joint hearing held November 13, 2024 by two subcommittees of the U.S. House Committee on Oversight and Accountability, chaired by Rep. Nancy Mace. The witnesses were Tim Gallaudet, Luis Elizondo, Michael Shellenberger and Michael Gold. They addressed government secrecy, AARO's transparency, a Pentagon document on the alleged Immaculate Constellation program, threats to pilot safety, and UAP activity near nuclear and military sites. Members also discussed UAP disclosure legislation.
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18 Dr. GALLAUDET. I can tell you that in a closed setting. Ms. MACE. Can you describe what was depicted in the satellite imagery, just a description? Dr. GALLAUDET. It was a UAP, ma’am. Ms. MACE. That is it? No other description? Dr. GALLAUDET. The term that the analyst used, they call it the button. It was a disc-shaped object. Ms. MACE. OK. Where was it? Dr. GALLAUDET. I cannot tell you that, ma’am. Ms. MACE. OK. All right. Mr. Elizondo, you state in your testimony that, quote, ‘‘Advanced technologies not by our government or any other govern- ment are monitoring sensitive military installations around the globe,’’ end quote. If these technologies are not made by any government, who is making them? Private companies? Or are you implying they are crafted by a nonhuman intelligence? Mr. ELIZONDO. Well, ma’am, that is precisely why we are here. The problem is that, temporally speaking, over decades, not just the last 10 years, before—to put this in perspective—— Ms. MACE. Are these private companies you are implying, or is this nonhuman intelligence? Mr. ELIZONDO. It may be both. Ms. MACE. OK. Mr. ELIZONDO. When it comes to Blue Force Technologies, I would not be able to discuss—— Ms. MACE. OK. Are you read into secret UAP crash retrieval programs? Mr. ELIZONDO. We would have to have a conversation in a closed session, ma’am. I signed documentation 3 years ago that restricts my ability to discuss specifically crash retrievals. I submitted for my book, through the DOPSR process, which took a year for it to be reviewed, and what is in the book is what I was told I am allowed to talk about. Ms. MACE. Has the government conducted secret UAP crash re- trieval programs? Yes or no? Mr. ELIZONDO. Yes. Ms. MACE. OK. Were they designed to identify and reverse engineer alien craft? Yes or no? Mr. ELIZONDO. Yes. Ms. MACE. Does the U.S. Government have any reverse—OK. You have already answered that question about retrieval programs. Do any U.S. contractors have the same? Mr. ELIZONDO. I would prefer to address that in a closed session, ma’am. Ms. MACE. OK. In your book, you mentioned government employees who have been injured by UAPs placed on leave and receiving government compensation for their injuries. Is that correct? Mr. ELIZONDO. That is correct. Ms. MACE. How can the government deny we have recovered craft if they are paying people because they have been injured by recovered craft?
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