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This is the transcript of a joint hearing held November 13, 2024 by two subcommittees of the U.S. House Committee on Oversight and Accountability, chaired by Rep. Nancy Mace. The witnesses were Tim Gallaudet, Luis Elizondo, Michael Shellenberger and Michael Gold. They addressed government secrecy, AARO's transparency, a Pentagon document on the alleged Immaculate Constellation program, threats to pilot safety, and UAP activity near nuclear and military sites. Members also discussed UAP disclosure legislation.
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12 of the Committee. It is my honor and privilege to testify before you on the issue of unidentified anomalous phenomena, formerly known as UFOs. On behalf of our brave men and women in uniform, and across the intelligence community, as well as my fellow Americans who have awaited this day, thank you for your leadership on this impor- tant matter. Let me be clear. UAP are real. Advanced technologies not made by our government or any other government are monitoring sen- sitive military installations around the globe. Furthermore, the U.S. is in possession of UAP technologies, as are some of our adver- saries. I believe we are in the midst of a multidecade secretive arms race, one funded by misallocated taxpayer dollars and hidden from our elected Representatives and oversight bodies. For many years, I was entrusted with protecting some of our Na- tion’s most sensitive programs. In my last position, I managed a special access program on behalf of the White House and the Na- tional Security Council. As such, I appreciate the need to protect certain sensitive intelligence and military information. I consider my oath to protect secrets as sacred, and I will always put the safe- ty of the American people first. With that said, I also understand the consequences of excessive secrecy and stovepiping. Nowhere was this more apparent than in the aftermath of 9/11, which many of us remember all too well. I believe that America’s greatness depends on three elements: A, a watchful Congress; B, a responsive executive branch; and C, an informed public. Over the last decade and a half, I learned that certain UAP pro- grams were and are operating without any of these elements. Al- though, much of my government work on the UAP subject still re- mains classified, excessive secrecy has led to grave misdeeds against loyal civil servants, military personnel, and the public, all to hide the fact that we are not alone in the cosmos. A small cadre within our own government involved in the UAP topic has created a culture of suppression and intimidation that I have personally been victim to, along with many of my former col- leagues. This includes unwarranted criminal investigations, harass- ment, and efforts to destroy one’s credibility. Most Americans would be shocked to learn that the Pentagon’s very own public affairs office openly employs a professional psycho- logical operations officer as the singular point of contact for any UAP-related inquiries from citizens and the media. This is unac- ceptable. Many of my former colleagues and I have provided classified tes- timony to both the Department of Defense and the intelligence community Inspector General, and many of us have subsequently been targeted by this cabal with threats to our careers, our security clearances, and even our lives. This is not hyperbole but a genuine fact, and this is wrong. To fix these problems, I propose three principal actions. First, Congress and the President should create a single point of contact responsible for a whole-of-government approach to the UAP issue. Currently, the White House, CIA, NASA, the Pentagon, Depart-
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