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This is the transcript of a joint hearing held November 13, 2024 by two subcommittees of the U.S. House Committee on Oversight and Accountability, chaired by Rep. Nancy Mace. The witnesses were Tim Gallaudet, Luis Elizondo, Michael Shellenberger and Michael Gold. They addressed government secrecy, AARO's transparency, a Pentagon document on the alleged Immaculate Constellation program, threats to pilot safety, and UAP activity near nuclear and military sites. Members also discussed UAP disclosure legislation.
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7 holding the trust of the American people, who right now I do not think have trust. It is just obvious. I do not have trust. We cannot shy away from the unknown, especially when the stakes are so high. I look forward to discussing these matters with the witnesses today. I am hopeful we can learn from the testimony and come out of this hearing with actionable ideas to advance UAP transparency. Actually, the idea is just to say, in my mind, go back 15 years, and everything has to be released. I am hopeful that we can learn from their testimony and come out of this hearing. And, with that, I yield back. Ms. MACE. Thank you. I will now recognize Mr. Moskowitz for a 5-minute introduction. Mr. MOSKOWITZ. Thank you, Chairwoman. Good morning, everyone. I first want to thank the Chairs and Ranking Members for holding the hearing today on this topic and, again, having a second hearing. I want to thank the witnesses for coming forward today to share your expertise on UAPs and the need to build trust through trans- parency. But, first, I want to mention you might be wondering why Chair- man Comer has allowed me to be a Ranking Member today, but it is really only because our dear friend, Gerry Connolly, is not here. As Chairwoman Mace mentioned, he was diagnosed with esopha- geal cancer. And all of us on this Committee know Gerry, and he is a fighter, and we are praying for him and hoping for his speedy recovery. So, today’s hearing marks this Committee’s second meeting dedi- cated to UAP transparency. I was pleased, as I know all of us are, on the bipartisanship that existed in last year’s hearing and, even though we cannot talk about what happens in the classified set- tings, but bipartisanship that has existed in those settings with the questions Members have asked. Last year’s hearing was a great example of open dialog about UAPs, and we must remain committed to sharing information with the American people. And I think you see that commitment based on the people here and the commitment across the political spec- trum. I personally have worked with multiple Members of this Com- mittee, but I want to particularly thank Congressman Burchett, Mace, Luna, and Garcia for working on bipartisan pieces of legisla- tion. In recent years, Congress has taken numerous bipartisan steps toward greater transparency. In 2022, in the NDAA, we created the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office to investigate unidentified flying objects. Following, AARO, along with ODNI, released an un- classified report on UAP sightings. Of the 366 sightings included in the report, 171 remain uncharacterized with some of these appearing to have dem- onstrated unusual flight characteristics or performance capabilities. That is a nice way of saying we do not want to tell you what they are.
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