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Baker report, 1968 congressional hearings

NICAP · 1968 · 68 pages · text from the file's own layer

This NICAP extract reproduces the statement of Dr. Robert M. L. Baker, Jr., a Computer Sciences Corporation scientist and UCLA engineering faculty member, to the House Committee on Science and Astronautics symposium on unidentified flying objects on July 29, 1968. Baker reviews his analyses of the Utah, Montana, Venezuela and Vandenberg films. He argues that current radar and optical sensors are poorly suited to detecting anomalistic phenomena and urges a well-funded, long-term interdisciplinary research program. The extract ends with panel discussion including Hynek and Hall.

  • p. 2 …Baker's professional society memberships include the American Association for the Advancement of Science, Phi Beta…
  • p. 8 …space) are the results of an advanced extraterrestrial civilization, then the study of the phenomena would…
  • p. 9 …There have been many debates on the technical capabilities or limits on the capabilities of advanced…
  • p. 10 …in the environs of the earth, or to make dubious speculations either concerning "their" advanced scientific…
  • p. 11 …the gross characteristics of an advanced civilization. These studies (probably not Government funded) should include the…
  • p. 19 Microphotograph of One of the Frames of the Argentina Film that Exhibits the Luminosity of the…
  • p. 21 …and Journal of the American Astronautical Society, 6, No. 1, 1959. 146 00015 "Recent Advances in…
  • p. 22 …the Seventh Annual ARDC Science and Engineering Symposium, Boston, Massachusetts, November 30, 1960. 00042 "1960 Advances…
  • p. 23 …Makemson) 00071 Aerodynamics - Applications and Advanced Topics, Academic Press, New York, 1967. 00072 "Recent Advances in…
  • p. 37 …In the past five years, he has advanced from assistant bookkeeper to teller to head teller…
  • p. 39 …He has no desire to advance any further up the bank totem pole, says he never…
  • p. 55 …sure, advanced radar systems are being developed for our missile defense systems, such as the ALTAR…
  • p. 56 …of the Earth or to make very dubious speculations 9, 10 either concerning "their" advanced scientific…
  • p. 57 …Coroniti (Elsevier Publishing Company, New York, 1963), page 463. 184 The Journal of the Astronautical Sciences…
would form an important adjunct to any serious study of anomalistic phenomena (see Walker (1968) included in app. 4 of
this report). The soft data must involve some useful information content, and it would be extremely unrealistic to neglect it
entirely. For this reason, I have included appendix 3 by Dr. Walker, which presents a logical procedure for establishing a
credibility level for observers. Walker's report of a hypothetical case integrates the results of general medical,
neuroopthalmologic, neurologic, and psychiatric evaluations, and develops a logical basis for assigning an overall
credibility score.
Dr. Robert L. Hall is, of course, eminently qualified to comment on the question of eyewitness testimony at this seminar.
If serious studies can be initiated, with the objectives of detecting, analyzing, and identifying the sources of anomalistic
observational phenomena, then I feel that the following scientific benefits can be expected:
(1) Meteoritics. -- Although there are a number of excellent meteor observation nets operating today, data collected on
erratically moving phenomena (including rapid determination of the location of any "landings" or impacts) would add
significantly to the coverage and analyses of meteorites and, possibly, entering comets. Furthermore, the timely recovery of
meteoritic debris at the subend point of fireballs would be most valuable.
(2) Geology. -- It has been pointed out by Lamar and Baker (1965), that there exist residual effects on desert pavements
that may have been produced by entering comets. Furthermore, any geological or material evidence of the impact or
"landing" of extraterrestrial objects would be of great interest. As Dr. John O'Keefe (1967), Assistant Chief, Laboratory for
Theoretical Studies of NASA GSFC indicated "Would it not be possible to get some scraps of these ("UFO") objects for
examination? For instance, a scrap of matter, however small, could be analyzed for the kind of alloys in terrestrial
foundries.
A piece of a screw, however small, would be either English, Metric, or Martian. I am impressed by this because I looked at
some tens of thousands of pictures of the Moon and found that the very small amount of chemical data has more weight in
interpreting the past history of the Moon than the very large amount of optical data. It doesn't seem possible that objects
("flying saucers") of this size can visit the Earth and then depart, leaving nothing, not even a speck, behind. We could
analyze a speck no bigger than a pinhead very easily." I concur with O'Keefe's remarks, and if there exist "landings"
associated with the anomalistic phenomena, then a prompt and extremely thorough investigation of the landing site must be
accomplished before geological/material evidence is dispersed or terrestrialized.
(3) Atmospheric physics. -- One of the great mysteries today is the formation, movement, and explosion of ball lightning.
As Singer (1968) noted:
The specific properties of ball lightning, which present particular difficulty in experimental duplication, are formations of
the sphere in air (at near-atmospheric pressure and at a distance from the source of energy) and its extensive motion. It is
evident that additional clarification of both theoretical and experimental aspects is needed.
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With respect to "plasma UFO's" Mr. Philip J. Klass(1968b) comments that:
If conditions -- all of the conditions -- needed to create plasma-UFO's near high-tension lines or in the wake of jet aircraft
occurred readily we should have millions of UFO reports and the mystery would have been solved long ago. But the
comparative rarity of legitimate UFO sightings clearly indicates that the ball-lightning related phenomenon is a very rare
one.
Even if ball lightning is not the primary source of anomalistic data (and I am not at present convinced that it is), any
program investigating anomalistic observational phenomena would surely shed significant light on the ball-lightning
problem.
(4) Astronomy. -- I have already noted the possibility of cometary entry, a study of which would be valuable to the
astronomer. If as some respected astronomers believe, the anomalistic observational phenomena (including perhaps,
"intelligent" radio signals from interstellar space) are the results of an advanced extraterrestrial civilization, then the study
of the phenomena would become a primary concern of the entire human race. The implications for astronomy are
overwhelming.

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