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This Memorandum for Record from the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO), dated January 8, 2024, lists AARO's repeated efforts between June 2023 and January 2024 to interview David Grusch for its congressionally directed Historical Record Report. Grusch agreed to an interview on November 14, 2023, but did not appear, and he cited concerns about classified information. AARO concluded he had no intention of providing information. The release also includes email threads, text messages and authorization memoranda from DoD and ODNI.
I(b)(6) From: Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2023 10:34 AM To: David Grusch Subject: Re: Contact Request I've been waiting in the lobby over 30 minutes. Are you showing up? From: David Gruschl._(b_l_(6_l __________, Sent: Monday. November 13. 2023 12:24:06 PM To:I (b)(6l Subject: Re: Contact Request 6 Good Morning~l(b_l(__l --~ Thank you for sending these items. As a former agency-level SAPMO and CAPCO I take security policies very seriously. In the DoD SAPCO memo, the term "UAP-related" is not defined. FY23 NOAA Sec. 1673 Subsection B defines it as the following: "any activity or p rogram by a department or agency of the Federal Government or a contractor of such a department or agency relating to unidentified anomalous phenomena , incl uding wi th respect to material retrieval, material analysis , reverse engineering, research and devel opment , detection and tracking , developmental or operational testi ng , and security protecti ons and enforcement . " The key issue here is that many of these activities have conventional classified and compartmented Security Classification Guides that also cover non-UAP activities as well. To discuss the UAP-related activities would also expose these conventional SAP m ission areas. An oral history interview subject must also be absolved of t his obligation to protect this information as well, some of it may be bigoted or WAIVED (IAW DODI 5205 .11 and 10 USC Sec 119). Furthermore, as discussed Friday, I am seeking a ODNI CAPCO determination to absolve an oral history interview subject of any NDA's relating to UAP-related and adjacent (as stated above) IC CAP information. Additionally, in my particu lar case, in order to horizontally prot ect a portion of my oral history testimony previously provided to ICIG and the intelligence committees, we would need to conduct the interview at the HCS-Operations (0) Restricted Handling (RH) level (IAW DNI CAPCO manual Sec. 4). Has the CIA Office of Security (OS) or Directorate of Operations (DO) provided a memo in this regard for oral history interview subjects? Has the OS provided a memo to also cover managed-need-to know (MNTK) projects not directly reported to ODNI CAPCO? Lastly, what signed policy does AARO have to receive non-title-10 SAPs (ie, DOE and NSC)? Has the EOP NSC Security Director, Director National Program Management Staff OUSD(l&S), or DOE SAPCO/SAPOC provided a memo similar to the DoD SAPCO memo you provided? v/r, DG On Mon Nov 13 2023 at 8:13 AM (b)(fil (b)(6) rote: Mr. Grusch, 1
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