“Nevers”53 pages
- p. 16 …of alien beings and elusive vehicles which never quite seem to manifest themselves. Regardless of one…
- p. 28 …Conversely, there has never been any previous documentary evidence produced by those who would debunk the…
- p. 29 …This had never been officially done before, although most of the persons contacted reported that they…
- p. 37 …Lt Col Cavitt also stated that he had never taken any oath or signed any agreement…
- p. 67 …Because this conclusion is based on the absence of documentation, the issue can never be definitively…
- p. 82 …If written, there is good evidence through accessioning and microfilming records that the Agency never received…
- p. 84 …histories and supporting documents, and it has never routinely received the kind of records which might…
- p. 131 …I have never been sworn to any form of secrecy by anyone concerning this matter and…
- p. 136 …It never crossed my mind that it could be anything but a radio sonde.
RW: How…
- p. 139 …as far as I knew, I never heard anyone say, "Don't talk about this and…
- p. 140 …I never met LaPaz personally, but I knew what he was.
RW: Did Rickett go with…
- p. 141 …I forget since I was there in the Washington area for awhile but I never did…
- p. 143 …To the best of my recollection, I never met the rancher, Brazel.
RW: O.K., because…
- p. 144 …I've never seen a Geiger counter myself, but I didn't know if you knew…
- p. 145 …said you never saw...and then you said you were going to...you never saw the…
- p. 146 …I never had any idea that it was anything with the V-2. They told us…
- p. 148 …You and I never saw this. You don't see any military people or military vehicles…
- p. 149 …said in a facetious way: "Lets make out like it never existed, because we're wasting…
- p. 150 …to him the crash and recovery had never happened. There was no investigation on the Foster…
- p. 153 …No, I never saw this.
SC: I don't know what that is from.
RW: "But…
- p. 154 …So, some of there records were TS and still are.) That is because they have never…
- p. 156 …Cav never told me anything. He said I'll never tell you anything then you won…
- p. 160 …I am quite sure that we never gave it a thought until that book.
- p. 161 …Now, we have never found the flight records to substantiate that, so I don't know…
- p. 171 …related to this inquiry and I have never been threatened by US Government persons concerning not…
- p. 175 …related to this inquiry and I have never been threatened by US Government persons concerning refraining…
- p. 179 …We never considered a planned cover story; we were concerned with security.
I was the project…
- p. 180 …I never observed any of the balloon "trains" but I did see some of the early…
- p. 190 …and subsequent models were brand new, had never flown anything like that in this area.
A…
- p. 193 …I'd never heard the name Mogul -- the classification was that high. I knew what we…
- p. 205 …I just wanted to see if there had been anything stated to you never to discuss…
- p. 207 …Yeah, I knew that guy, but I never knew Marcel.
Q: So you went, moving into…
- p. 208 …I've never seen a Japanese balloon that I know of, I've never seen the…
- p. 211 …No, I've never seen this.
Trakowski argued that even the name Mogul was classified, and…
- p. 214 …Out PM with several NYU men by weapons carrier, but we never located it. Rocket postponed…
- p. 229 …As far as I know we just never interfaced with the military.
Q: Where were you…
- p. 231 …We never saw anybody in security. There was certainly nobody keeping us secure. If anything, we…
- p. 237 …who was writing a story, and I never quite could determine whether he was on the…
- p. 238 …I have never seen such a document nor have I ever heard of any effort to…
- p. 241 …radar reflectors for tracking purposes—but it never comes out talking about MOGUL and the instrumentation…
- p. 242 …I never met Richard Robert Crane. I knew him only by the path of debris he…
- p. 246 …They never said it, but I know they did because they left me free to do…
- p. 269 …Before now, however, a larger portion of the story was never told. Recent research indicates that…
- p. 271 …and Project MOGUL as first conceived was never put into operational use. However, MOGUL did serve…
- p. 272 …Moore, NYU Constant-Level Balloon Project Engineer, stated that they were never informed of the classified…
- p. 314 …I was never the Holloman Base Weather Officer. Lt Colonel Maas was assigned as Base Weather…
- p. 477 …automatic ballast controls, and this flight was never recovered. Presumably the marked easterly flow then observed…
- p. 501 …of efficiency since on-off operation was never permitted.
The temperature data of these flights is…
- p. 648 …The theodolite lost the balloon in clouds earlier and the airplane observer never succeeded in seeing…
- p. 670 …make model and submit same before quoting. Never heard anything.
1/21/47 Western Products Inc…
- p. 710 …Recorded at Dona but Phil at Tower site never saw rocket. Waited at Dona until 6…
- p. 718 …Out pm with several NYU by weapon carrier but we never located it. Rocket postponed until…
- p. 726 …CONCLUSIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS
Opinion has been strengthened that clusters of meteorological balloons will never be a…
The interview with Colonel Trakowski (Atchs 23-24) also proved valuable information. Trakowski provided specific details on Project MOGUL and described how the security for the program was set up, as he was formerly the Top Secret Control Officer for the program. He further related that many of the original radar targets that were produced around the end of World War II were fabricated by toy or novelty companies using a purplish-pink tape with flower and heart symbols on it. Trakowski also recounted a conversation that he had with his friend, and superior military officer in his chain of command, Colonel Marcellus Duffy, in July, 1947. Duffy, formerly had Trakowski's position on MOGUL, but had subsequently been transferred to Wright Field. He stated: "... Colonel Duffy called me on the telephone from Wright Field and gave me a story about a fellow that had come in from New Mexico, woke him up in the middle of the night or some such thing with a handful of debris, and wanted him, Colonel Duffy, to identify it. . . . He just said 'it sure looks like some of the stuff you've been launching at Alamogordo' and he described it, and I said 'yes, I think it is.' Certainly Colonel Duffy knew enough about radar targets, radiosondes, balloonborne weather devices. He was intimately familiar with all that apparatus."
Attempts were made to locate Colonel Duffy but it was ascertained that he had died. His widow explained that, although he had amassed a large amount of personal papers relating to his Air Force activities, she had recently disposed of these items. Likewise, it was learned that A.P. Crary was also deceased; however his surviving spouse had a number of his papers from his balloon testing days, including his professional journal from the period in question. She provided the Air Force researchers with this material. It is discussed in more detail within Atch 32. Overall, it helps fill in gaps of the MOGUL story.
During the period the Air Force conducted this research, it was discovered that several others had also discovered the possibility that the "Roswell Incident" may have been generated by the recovery of a Project MOGUL balloon device. These persons included Professor Charles B. Moore, Robert Todd, and coincidentally, Karl Pflock, a researcher who is married to a staffer who works for Congressman Schiff. Some of these persons provided suggestions as to where documentation might be located in various archives, histories and libraries. A review of FOIA requests revealed that Robert Todd, particularly, had become aware of Project MOGUL several years ago and had doggedly obtained from the Air Force, through the FOIA, a large amount of material pertaining to it; long before the AAZD researchers independently seized on the same possibility.
Most interestingly, as this report was being written, Pflock published his own report of this matter under the auspices of FUFOR, entitled Roswell in Perspective (1994). Pflock concluded from his research that the Brazel Ranch debris originally reported as a "flying disc" was probably debris from a MOGUL balloon; however, there was a simultaneous incident that occurred not far away, which caused an alien craft to crash and which the AAF subsequently recovered three alien bodies therefrom. Air Force research did not locate any information to corroborate that this incredible coincidence occurred, however.