“Nevers”53 pages
- p. 16 …of alien beings and elusive vehicles which never quite seem to manifest themselves. Regardless of one…
- p. 28 …Conversely, there has never been any previous documentary evidence produced by those who would debunk the…
- p. 29 …This had never been officially done before, although most of the persons contacted reported that they…
- p. 37 …Lt Col Cavitt also stated that he had never taken any oath or signed any agreement…
- p. 67 …Because this conclusion is based on the absence of documentation, the issue can never be definitively…
- p. 82 …If written, there is good evidence through accessioning and microfilming records that the Agency never received…
- p. 84 …histories and supporting documents, and it has never routinely received the kind of records which might…
- p. 131 …I have never been sworn to any form of secrecy by anyone concerning this matter and…
- p. 136 …It never crossed my mind that it could be anything but a radio sonde.
RW: How…
- p. 139 …as far as I knew, I never heard anyone say, "Don't talk about this and…
- p. 140 …I never met LaPaz personally, but I knew what he was.
RW: Did Rickett go with…
- p. 141 …I forget since I was there in the Washington area for awhile but I never did…
- p. 143 …To the best of my recollection, I never met the rancher, Brazel.
RW: O.K., because…
- p. 144 …I've never seen a Geiger counter myself, but I didn't know if you knew…
- p. 145 …said you never saw...and then you said you were going to...you never saw the…
- p. 146 …I never had any idea that it was anything with the V-2. They told us…
- p. 148 …You and I never saw this. You don't see any military people or military vehicles…
- p. 149 …said in a facetious way: "Lets make out like it never existed, because we're wasting…
- p. 150 …to him the crash and recovery had never happened. There was no investigation on the Foster…
- p. 153 …No, I never saw this.
SC: I don't know what that is from.
RW: "But…
- p. 154 …So, some of there records were TS and still are.) That is because they have never…
- p. 156 …Cav never told me anything. He said I'll never tell you anything then you won…
- p. 160 …I am quite sure that we never gave it a thought until that book.
- p. 161 …Now, we have never found the flight records to substantiate that, so I don't know…
- p. 171 …related to this inquiry and I have never been threatened by US Government persons concerning not…
- p. 175 …related to this inquiry and I have never been threatened by US Government persons concerning refraining…
- p. 179 …We never considered a planned cover story; we were concerned with security.
I was the project…
- p. 180 …I never observed any of the balloon "trains" but I did see some of the early…
- p. 190 …and subsequent models were brand new, had never flown anything like that in this area.
A…
- p. 193 …I'd never heard the name Mogul -- the classification was that high. I knew what we…
- p. 205 …I just wanted to see if there had been anything stated to you never to discuss…
- p. 207 …Yeah, I knew that guy, but I never knew Marcel.
Q: So you went, moving into…
- p. 208 …I've never seen a Japanese balloon that I know of, I've never seen the…
- p. 211 …No, I've never seen this.
Trakowski argued that even the name Mogul was classified, and…
- p. 214 …Out PM with several NYU men by weapons carrier, but we never located it. Rocket postponed…
- p. 229 …As far as I know we just never interfaced with the military.
Q: Where were you…
- p. 231 …We never saw anybody in security. There was certainly nobody keeping us secure. If anything, we…
- p. 237 …who was writing a story, and I never quite could determine whether he was on the…
- p. 238 …I have never seen such a document nor have I ever heard of any effort to…
- p. 241 …radar reflectors for tracking purposes—but it never comes out talking about MOGUL and the instrumentation…
- p. 242 …I never met Richard Robert Crane. I knew him only by the path of debris he…
- p. 246 …They never said it, but I know they did because they left me free to do…
- p. 269 …Before now, however, a larger portion of the story was never told. Recent research indicates that…
- p. 271 …and Project MOGUL as first conceived was never put into operational use. However, MOGUL did serve…
- p. 272 …Moore, NYU Constant-Level Balloon Project Engineer, stated that they were never informed of the classified…
- p. 314 …I was never the Holloman Base Weather Officer. Lt Colonel Maas was assigned as Base Weather…
- p. 477 …automatic ballast controls, and this flight was never recovered. Presumably the marked easterly flow then observed…
- p. 501 …of efficiency since on-off operation was never permitted.
The temperature data of these flights is…
- p. 648 …The theodolite lost the balloon in clouds earlier and the airplane observer never succeeded in seeing…
- p. 670 …make model and submit same before quoting. Never heard anything.
1/21/47 Western Products Inc…
- p. 710 …Recorded at Dona but Phil at Tower site never saw rocket. Waited at Dona until 6…
- p. 718 …Out pm with several NYU by weapon carrier but we never located it. Rocket postponed until…
- p. 726 …CONCLUSIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS
Opinion has been strengthened that clusters of meteorological balloons will never be a…
A: It's about 45 years since all of this happened. Even at the time, as I mentioned a moment ago, one gets very busy in a project of this sort, and you treat rather large events as they come; you give them action, and then you go on to the next. All of these events don't stay in memory.
Q: We understand that you've been contacted by various people such as Mr. Pflock and Mr. Todd, and we do appreciate your spending some time with us in this endeavor. We think it's very valuable for people who were actually on the scene to provide their accounts of what occurred. It is valuable to us, and we do appreciate that.
A: I wish I could be of more help on this thing. Apparently, things like this die very hard. (Laughter)
Q: Did you ever hear of any intelligence people getting involved in this thing? Colonel Duffy mentioned that some of the people at AMC maybe wanted...
A: No, I don't. Certainly no intelligence people... Certainly I was not involved with any intelligence people in this matter. If I was, I don't recall it. Colonel Duffy and the group at Wright Field protected me greatly, I know that. They never said it, but I know they did because they left me free to do the project. And if anything would interfere with getting the project done as quickly as possible, they would try to steer that away from me. I know they did. Again, they never said it, but their actions were obvious.
(Pause)
A: ...I was assigned for about two months to AFOAT-1. Then Colonel Benjamin Holtzman, later General Holtzman, pulled me out of AFOAT-1 and sent me to Baltimore because the Air Research and Development Command had just been organized, and I arrived on the scene while they were still trying to find chairs and desks. We worked in the old Sun newspaper building in downtown Baltimore.
Q: They had intelligence personnel there, didn't they?
A: They may have. I'm not aware of that. Then after I left the headquarters of ARDC in Baltimore, I spent four years at the Air Force Research and Development Command Office in Brussels, Belgium. Following that, I spent more than three years on the Air Staff in the Pentagon.
Q: What year did you retire?
A: On my birthday in 1963. I then went into industry, and I worked for EG&G, a hightechnology company based near Boston, and I became a Vice President of one of their subsidiaries. I became the project manager and developer of the National Space Science Data Center at Goddard, in Greenbelt, Maryland. I built that and set it up.
Then when the EPA, the Environmental Protection Agency, was formed in December of 1970, I was invited to join the newly formed EPA, and I did. I accepted the position. I went into the EPA as a Deputy Assistant Administrator in the Office of Research and Development. Then in 1973 and 1974 I served as Assistant Administrator for Research and Development in the EPA, the position from which I retired in 1982.