“Nevers”53 pages
- p. 16 …of alien beings and elusive vehicles which never quite seem to manifest themselves. Regardless of one…
- p. 28 …Conversely, there has never been any previous documentary evidence produced by those who would debunk the…
- p. 29 …This had never been officially done before, although most of the persons contacted reported that they…
- p. 37 …Lt Col Cavitt also stated that he had never taken any oath or signed any agreement…
- p. 67 …Because this conclusion is based on the absence of documentation, the issue can never be definitively…
- p. 82 …If written, there is good evidence through accessioning and microfilming records that the Agency never received…
- p. 84 …histories and supporting documents, and it has never routinely received the kind of records which might…
- p. 131 …I have never been sworn to any form of secrecy by anyone concerning this matter and…
- p. 136 …It never crossed my mind that it could be anything but a radio sonde.
RW: How…
- p. 139 …as far as I knew, I never heard anyone say, "Don't talk about this and…
- p. 140 …I never met LaPaz personally, but I knew what he was.
RW: Did Rickett go with…
- p. 141 …I forget since I was there in the Washington area for awhile but I never did…
- p. 143 …To the best of my recollection, I never met the rancher, Brazel.
RW: O.K., because…
- p. 144 …I've never seen a Geiger counter myself, but I didn't know if you knew…
- p. 145 …said you never saw...and then you said you were going to...you never saw the…
- p. 146 …I never had any idea that it was anything with the V-2. They told us…
- p. 148 …You and I never saw this. You don't see any military people or military vehicles…
- p. 149 …said in a facetious way: "Lets make out like it never existed, because we're wasting…
- p. 150 …to him the crash and recovery had never happened. There was no investigation on the Foster…
- p. 153 …No, I never saw this.
SC: I don't know what that is from.
RW: "But…
- p. 154 …So, some of there records were TS and still are.) That is because they have never…
- p. 156 …Cav never told me anything. He said I'll never tell you anything then you won…
- p. 160 …I am quite sure that we never gave it a thought until that book.
- p. 161 …Now, we have never found the flight records to substantiate that, so I don't know…
- p. 171 …related to this inquiry and I have never been threatened by US Government persons concerning not…
- p. 175 …related to this inquiry and I have never been threatened by US Government persons concerning refraining…
- p. 179 …We never considered a planned cover story; we were concerned with security.
I was the project…
- p. 180 …I never observed any of the balloon "trains" but I did see some of the early…
- p. 190 …and subsequent models were brand new, had never flown anything like that in this area.
A…
- p. 193 …I'd never heard the name Mogul -- the classification was that high. I knew what we…
- p. 205 …I just wanted to see if there had been anything stated to you never to discuss…
- p. 207 …Yeah, I knew that guy, but I never knew Marcel.
Q: So you went, moving into…
- p. 208 …I've never seen a Japanese balloon that I know of, I've never seen the…
- p. 211 …No, I've never seen this.
Trakowski argued that even the name Mogul was classified, and…
- p. 214 …Out PM with several NYU men by weapons carrier, but we never located it. Rocket postponed…
- p. 229 …As far as I know we just never interfaced with the military.
Q: Where were you…
- p. 231 …We never saw anybody in security. There was certainly nobody keeping us secure. If anything, we…
- p. 237 …who was writing a story, and I never quite could determine whether he was on the…
- p. 238 …I have never seen such a document nor have I ever heard of any effort to…
- p. 241 …radar reflectors for tracking purposes—but it never comes out talking about MOGUL and the instrumentation…
- p. 242 …I never met Richard Robert Crane. I knew him only by the path of debris he…
- p. 246 …They never said it, but I know they did because they left me free to do…
- p. 269 …Before now, however, a larger portion of the story was never told. Recent research indicates that…
- p. 271 …and Project MOGUL as first conceived was never put into operational use. However, MOGUL did serve…
- p. 272 …Moore, NYU Constant-Level Balloon Project Engineer, stated that they were never informed of the classified…
- p. 314 …I was never the Holloman Base Weather Officer. Lt Colonel Maas was assigned as Base Weather…
- p. 477 …automatic ballast controls, and this flight was never recovered. Presumably the marked easterly flow then observed…
- p. 501 …of efficiency since on-off operation was never permitted.
The temperature data of these flights is…
- p. 648 …The theodolite lost the balloon in clouds earlier and the airplane observer never succeeded in seeing…
- p. 670 …make model and submit same before quoting. Never heard anything.
1/21/47 Western Products Inc…
- p. 710 …Recorded at Dona but Phil at Tower site never saw rocket. Waited at Dona until 6…
- p. 718 …Out pm with several NYU by weapon carrier but we never located it. Rocket postponed until…
- p. 726 …CONCLUSIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS
Opinion has been strengthened that clusters of meteorological balloons will never be a…
flying saucers. I did get a letter back from Ro to the response that he had not been, as far as she knew, he had not been involved in any classified identification of something. That had occurred to me that things could have gone on that I had no need to know. I tried to extract that.
Q: So you had no recollection or strong recollection of him, when you got back to New Jersey, discussing it. It caused a lot of fuss.
A: I'm really surprised at this newspaper story because implicit in this is the idea that someone provided a good cover for us, and yet Crary's diary doesn't show that he was involved in it, and I wasn't aware that my contact, Dyvad, was privy enough to our operations to have carried this out. So this is a bit of a mystery to me.
Q: What would you speculate, how would someone, just circumstances, coincidences, or intentional?
A: It's very clear that it was intentional, and there was a better security operation going on than I appreciated at the time. That would be my assessment.
Q: So you believe that someone was privy to your activities...
A: Trakowski was there. I had forgotten, but he reminded me that he had gone on the C-54 to pick up the helium at Amarillo. I asked Trakowski had he been involved in manufacturing a cover story. He kept saying how important Mogul was, how highly classified it was, and how he was really wheeling and dealing. He apparently went down to Fort Bliss, to the commanding general there -- I guess he was a captain at the time -- and had no trouble talking the general into releasing something like maybe several hundred 500 pound bombs for this. At the same time, Trakowski has no memory of a coverup.
Q: He didn't have participation.
A: Whether he was on that C-54 that had 23 people on it or not, I don't know. Crary's list of the people left, there was only one military type, a Lieutenant Thompson, in what you have here.
Q: Who did you report to?
A: Peoples.
Q: Then getting back to talking about quarters and things like that, did you have to go introduce yourself to the commanding officer at the base, or...