“Nevers”53 pages
- p. 16 …of alien beings and elusive vehicles which never quite seem to manifest themselves. Regardless of one…
- p. 28 …Conversely, there has never been any previous documentary evidence produced by those who would debunk the…
- p. 29 …This had never been officially done before, although most of the persons contacted reported that they…
- p. 37 …Lt Col Cavitt also stated that he had never taken any oath or signed any agreement…
- p. 67 …Because this conclusion is based on the absence of documentation, the issue can never be definitively…
- p. 82 …If written, there is good evidence through accessioning and microfilming records that the Agency never received…
- p. 84 …histories and supporting documents, and it has never routinely received the kind of records which might…
- p. 131 …I have never been sworn to any form of secrecy by anyone concerning this matter and…
- p. 136 …It never crossed my mind that it could be anything but a radio sonde.
RW: How…
- p. 139 …as far as I knew, I never heard anyone say, "Don't talk about this and…
- p. 140 …I never met LaPaz personally, but I knew what he was.
RW: Did Rickett go with…
- p. 141 …I forget since I was there in the Washington area for awhile but I never did…
- p. 143 …To the best of my recollection, I never met the rancher, Brazel.
RW: O.K., because…
- p. 144 …I've never seen a Geiger counter myself, but I didn't know if you knew…
- p. 145 …said you never saw...and then you said you were going to...you never saw the…
- p. 146 …I never had any idea that it was anything with the V-2. They told us…
- p. 148 …You and I never saw this. You don't see any military people or military vehicles…
- p. 149 …said in a facetious way: "Lets make out like it never existed, because we're wasting…
- p. 150 …to him the crash and recovery had never happened. There was no investigation on the Foster…
- p. 153 …No, I never saw this.
SC: I don't know what that is from.
RW: "But…
- p. 154 …So, some of there records were TS and still are.) That is because they have never…
- p. 156 …Cav never told me anything. He said I'll never tell you anything then you won…
- p. 160 …I am quite sure that we never gave it a thought until that book.
- p. 161 …Now, we have never found the flight records to substantiate that, so I don't know…
- p. 171 …related to this inquiry and I have never been threatened by US Government persons concerning not…
- p. 175 …related to this inquiry and I have never been threatened by US Government persons concerning refraining…
- p. 179 …We never considered a planned cover story; we were concerned with security.
I was the project…
- p. 180 …I never observed any of the balloon "trains" but I did see some of the early…
- p. 190 …and subsequent models were brand new, had never flown anything like that in this area.
A…
- p. 193 …I'd never heard the name Mogul -- the classification was that high. I knew what we…
- p. 205 …I just wanted to see if there had been anything stated to you never to discuss…
- p. 207 …Yeah, I knew that guy, but I never knew Marcel.
Q: So you went, moving into…
- p. 208 …I've never seen a Japanese balloon that I know of, I've never seen the…
- p. 211 …No, I've never seen this.
Trakowski argued that even the name Mogul was classified, and…
- p. 214 …Out PM with several NYU men by weapons carrier, but we never located it. Rocket postponed…
- p. 229 …As far as I know we just never interfaced with the military.
Q: Where were you…
- p. 231 …We never saw anybody in security. There was certainly nobody keeping us secure. If anything, we…
- p. 237 …who was writing a story, and I never quite could determine whether he was on the…
- p. 238 …I have never seen such a document nor have I ever heard of any effort to…
- p. 241 …radar reflectors for tracking purposes—but it never comes out talking about MOGUL and the instrumentation…
- p. 242 …I never met Richard Robert Crane. I knew him only by the path of debris he…
- p. 246 …They never said it, but I know they did because they left me free to do…
- p. 269 …Before now, however, a larger portion of the story was never told. Recent research indicates that…
- p. 271 …and Project MOGUL as first conceived was never put into operational use. However, MOGUL did serve…
- p. 272 …Moore, NYU Constant-Level Balloon Project Engineer, stated that they were never informed of the classified…
- p. 314 …I was never the Holloman Base Weather Officer. Lt Colonel Maas was assigned as Base Weather…
- p. 477 …automatic ballast controls, and this flight was never recovered. Presumably the marked easterly flow then observed…
- p. 501 …of efficiency since on-off operation was never permitted.
The temperature data of these flights is…
- p. 648 …The theodolite lost the balloon in clouds earlier and the airplane observer never succeeded in seeing…
- p. 670 …make model and submit same before quoting. Never heard anything.
1/21/47 Western Products Inc…
- p. 710 …Recorded at Dona but Phil at Tower site never saw rocket. Waited at Dona until 6…
- p. 718 …Out pm with several NYU by weapon carrier but we never located it. Rocket postponed until…
- p. 726 …CONCLUSIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS
Opinion has been strengthened that clusters of meteorological balloons will never be a…
# STATEMENT OF WITNESS
Date: 29 Jun 94
Place:
VA
I, Albert C. Trakowski, hereby state that Jeffrey Butler, was identified as a Colonel, USAF and Jim McAndrew, was identified as a Lieutenant, USAF on this date at my home and do hereby voluntarily and of my own free will, make the following statement. This is done without having been subjected to any coercion, unlawful influence or unlawful inducement.
I was provided a background on the Air Force efforts related to the GAO audit and it's association with the "Roswell Incident" and project Mogul. I personally know all the persons that Col Butler identified to me as having been contacted in this effort (Spilhaus, Moore, Istvan, Fletcher, Ms Duffy). I have also been contacted by several researchers and writers and discussed project Mogul and provided some documents to some of them. Robert Todd, I'm not sure whether he was a believer or not. Charles Ziegler was working on the history of nuclear weapons detection capability. He had some letters/papers that I did not have such as the letters the Gen Spaatz directed the establishment of project Mogul. Carl Pflock apparently wanted to establish the "incident" of Roswell as a UFO incident. Charlie Moore was primarily responsible for development of the constant level balloons for lifting the instrument packages. Concerning a cover story for the project Mogul, there was no planned cover story. I do not recall any documentation nor any efforts to develop a cover story even though the security for Mogul was of great concern. Charlie Moore and Athel Spilhaus used meteorological research as a cover but this was a spur of the moment effort--it was an obvious answer to a query--there was no documentation for using meteorology. We never considered a planned cover story; we were concerned with security.
I was the project officer succeeding Col Duffy in approximately November 1946. My primary purpose was nuclear weapons and guided missiles detection programs. Previously, I was appointed as the laboratory chief in the Signal Corps as an Air Force officer in charge of the Spherics program and later for the development of weather radar. Since my background was in physics, I took over project Mogul. It was the only Top Secret project at Watson Labs and I was the Top Secret Control Officer, so I knew the impacts with security associated with the project. We moved from Watson Labs to Cambridge Me which combined became the Air Force Cambridge Research Center, and I became the Director of the Air Force Geophysics Lab (and remained so until 1949). Through 1949, I was the director of both MX968 and Mogul. As the Mogul director, I went to Alamorgordo Army Air Field in early July 1947, to observe the New York University balloon group. The "Roswell Incident" occurred after we had returned to Red Bank (Watson lab) NJ. I became aware of this only after Col Duffy called me from Wright Field from his home. This was just an informational call, he just wanted to let me know that someone had come to him with some debris from New Mexico and he said, "this sure looked like some of the stuff that you launched from Alamorgordo." Duffy was very familiar with the various