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Symposium on unidentified flying objects: hearings before the Committee on Science and Astronautics, U.S. House of Representatives, Ninetieth Congress, second session, July 29, 1968.

U.S. House of Representatives · 1968-07-29 · 256 pages · text from the file's own layer

This is the printed record of a July 29, 1968 symposium on unidentified flying objects held by the Committee on Science and Astronautics of the U.S. House of Representatives, chaired by Rep. J. Edward Roush. The committee heard statements from six scientists: J. Allen Hynek, James E. McDonald, Carl Sagan, Robert L. Hall, James A. Harder and Robert M. L. Baker. It also printed papers from Donald Menzel, Stanton Friedman, Frank Salisbury and others. Hynek argued that puzzling UFO reports from competent witnesses deserve serious scientific study.

  • p. 12 …in a peasant society whose eyes were never turned toward the skies. Can we afford not…
  • p. 13 …for a proper and definitive study will never develop. I recall an encounter I had sometime…
  • p. 16 …A very character- istic statement by those making the reports is: "I have never seen anything…
  • p. 18 …They also usually request anonymity which is always granted. (4) UFO's are never seen at…
  • p. 19 …Other misconceptions are that UFO's are never reported by scien- tifically trained people, are never…
  • p. 20 …it has never been considered worthwhile to improve the data -gathering process because the whole subject…
  • p. 27 …he is looking at something he has never seen before. I like Dr. Hynek's phrase…
  • p. 37 …at the Ontario Hydro Commission plant has never been identified, but initially thetentative suspicion was centered…
  • p. 39 …cover- ing innumerable intriguing cases I had never before heard of, and (above all) after the…
  • p. 43 …diminish in sig- nificance, though they can never be overlooked. A frequent objection to serious consideration…
  • p. 45 …out- of-the-way rural areas but never over large cities? Why don't large groups…
  • p. 48 …Smith emphasized that they were never certain of sizes and distances, but that they had the…
  • p. 53 …is deceased), I believe that there has never been any dispute as to the observed facts…
  • p. 59 …Many other sources could be cited to show that the intimation that UFOs are never seen…
  • p. 65 …After the 'official "explanation" was publicized, he decided he'd never report another one. I predict…
  • p. 68 …In the ensuing two decades, he has never again seen anything like it. Clearly, the probability…
  • p. 69 …Moore never got a sufficiently clear view to identify any finer details if any were present…
  • p. 75 …the past twenty years, cases that ought never have been so labelled, had the evaluators kept…
  • p. 76 …Ground radar stations never detected the unknown that was seen visually and contacted by airborne radar…
  • p. 77 …strong, bright pips, said that "anomalous propagation never entered our heads as an explanation." Howard S…
  • p. 78 …7) but could never close with the unknown as its continued on its north- bound course…
  • p. 80 …All three said they had never before seen anything like it. Munger decided to phone his…
  • p. 81 …The photos were shortly taken by Base military authorities and were never seen again by the…
  • p. 87 …referred to repeatedly in Menzel's writings, never with any quantitative discussion of precisely what he…
  • p. 100 …visual observations of classical UFO's have never been made by profes- sional astronomers. For example…
  • p. 101 …how the promised political or social intervention never materializes. Psychological Factors. The psychologist Carl Jung pointed…
  • p. 125 …Oh, heavens, I never suggested that, I hope. Mr. BOONE. Well, let me say, science fiction…
  • p. 159 …He has not ever been exposed to any toxic substances, has never had to take any…
  • p. 168 …He said he had never had the experience of deja-vu episodes or of performing acts…
  • p. 171 …It never occurred to him to call anyone else's attention to the light (probably because…
  • p. 172 …He had never seen anything like it before and in fact had never previously had the…
  • p. 173 …He has taken only two sick days in the entire five years and is never late…
  • p. 174 …He never has fantasied actively taking his own life, however, and feels it would be very…
  • p. 175 …He never was one to participate in extracurricular activities, but always maintained a part-time job…
  • p. 176 …Prior to seeing that light, he apparently never experienced a deja vu, or any illusory or…
  • p. 194 …If the observer being studied is truly sociopathic and has never de- veloped a super -ego…
  • p. 203 197 This data, which most people have never seen or even heard of, is published in…
  • p. 206 …They never have had enough sCientists in the project. They have failed to follow up certain…
  • p. 221 …Isn't it true that UFOs have never been sighted on radar? No, it is not…
  • p. 243 …make such an all- inclusive negative statement. Never- theless, many of the arguments are highly compelling…
  • p. 244 …A balloon reported as a UFO was never out of sight of its launchers. A perplexing…
  • p. 247 …al- though he apologizes because he has never had the time to make a thorough search…
  • p. 249 …two leads appeared, but other witnesses could never be located), but his ap- parent sincerity was…
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able likely accompaniment of star formation, that the solar system in
other words is a fairly common event in the galaxy and is not unique.
There are laboratory experiments on the origin of life
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in which the
early conditions on earth have been duplicated in the laboratory. It
turns out that at least the molecules fundamental to living systems, are
produced relatively easy, physics and chemistry apparently made in
such a way that the origin of life may be a likely event.
Beyond that it is difficult to do laboratory experiments, because
evolution takes billions of years, and scientists aren't that patient.
Therefore, it is just a question of intelligent and knowledgeable
estimates.
Here, some scientists believe that the evolution of intelligence and
technical civilization is very likely. Others believe it is a very remark-
able and unusual event and by the merest fluke did it happen here.
I don't think that this is the place to go into this very difficult ques-
tion in any great detail. Let me merely say that much more important
than these uncertainties is the question of the life of a technical civil-
ization, judging from the events on the earth, one might say the likeli-
hood of our civilization lasting only a few decades more, might be a
fairly high probability, and if that is typical of other civilizations,
then it is clear there aren't any other humans around.
On the other hand, if civilizations tend to have very long lifetimes,
it may be there are large numbers of technical civilizations in the
galaxy.
Now, one thing is clear, which is this: If there are other technical
civilizations, any random one of them is likely to be vastly in advance
of our own technical civilization. For example, we are only 10 or 15
years into having the technology of interstellar communication by
radio astronomy. It is unlikely there is any other civilization in the
galaxy that is that backward in their technical expertise.
Mr. MILLER. Doctor, didn't Sir Bernard Lovell receive electrical
pulses he can't explain?
Dr. SAGAN. Yes, sir. There are now five objects in the heavens called
pulsars, which are objects which are sending out radiation which is
modulated with a frequency of about one per second; also there are sub-
modulations. There are a variety of hypotheses to explain these things,
some of which involve the oscillations of very old stars. There are
certain difficulties with each hypothesis. The first suggestion made by
the British at Cambridge,when they encountered this phenomenon was
perhaps it was a beacon of some extraterrestrial civilization. That is
not now their favored hypothesis. It is not clear that that is totally
absurd,but in fact the scientific method to be used in that case is rather
similar to the one to be used in this case. That is, it is a puzzling phenom-
enon. One therefore excludes all physical explanations that one pos-
sibly can before going to the much more hypothetical possibility of
intelligence being involved.
So,that is the present state of work in that field. For data gathering
to get better information, and the refinement of the purely physical
hypothesis.
Well,I was saying that if there are other civilizations many of them
are likely to be far in advance of our own,and this,therefore raises the
question of how likely it is that they can traverse interstellar space
and come from planets or some other star to here.

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