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Symposium on unidentified flying objects: hearings before the Committee on Science and Astronautics, U.S. House of Representatives, Ninetieth Congress, second session, July 29, 1968.

U.S. House of Representatives · 1968-07-29 · 256 pages · text from the file's own layer

This is the printed record of a July 29, 1968 symposium on unidentified flying objects held by the Committee on Science and Astronautics of the U.S. House of Representatives, chaired by Rep. J. Edward Roush. The committee heard statements from six scientists: J. Allen Hynek, James E. McDonald, Carl Sagan, Robert L. Hall, James A. Harder and Robert M. L. Baker. It also printed papers from Donald Menzel, Stanton Friedman, Frank Salisbury and others. Hynek argued that puzzling UFO reports from competent witnesses deserve serious scientific study.

  • p. 12 …in a peasant society whose eyes were never turned toward the skies. Can we afford not…
  • p. 13 …for a proper and definitive study will never develop. I recall an encounter I had sometime…
  • p. 16 …A very character- istic statement by those making the reports is: "I have never seen anything…
  • p. 18 …They also usually request anonymity which is always granted. (4) UFO's are never seen at…
  • p. 19 …Other misconceptions are that UFO's are never reported by scien- tifically trained people, are never…
  • p. 20 …it has never been considered worthwhile to improve the data -gathering process because the whole subject…
  • p. 27 …he is looking at something he has never seen before. I like Dr. Hynek's phrase…
  • p. 37 …at the Ontario Hydro Commission plant has never been identified, but initially thetentative suspicion was centered…
  • p. 39 …cover- ing innumerable intriguing cases I had never before heard of, and (above all) after the…
  • p. 43 …diminish in sig- nificance, though they can never be overlooked. A frequent objection to serious consideration…
  • p. 45 …out- of-the-way rural areas but never over large cities? Why don't large groups…
  • p. 48 …Smith emphasized that they were never certain of sizes and distances, but that they had the…
  • p. 53 …is deceased), I believe that there has never been any dispute as to the observed facts…
  • p. 59 …Many other sources could be cited to show that the intimation that UFOs are never seen…
  • p. 65 …After the 'official "explanation" was publicized, he decided he'd never report another one. I predict…
  • p. 68 …In the ensuing two decades, he has never again seen anything like it. Clearly, the probability…
  • p. 69 …Moore never got a sufficiently clear view to identify any finer details if any were present…
  • p. 75 …the past twenty years, cases that ought never have been so labelled, had the evaluators kept…
  • p. 76 …Ground radar stations never detected the unknown that was seen visually and contacted by airborne radar…
  • p. 77 …strong, bright pips, said that "anomalous propagation never entered our heads as an explanation." Howard S…
  • p. 78 …7) but could never close with the unknown as its continued on its north- bound course…
  • p. 80 …All three said they had never before seen anything like it. Munger decided to phone his…
  • p. 81 …The photos were shortly taken by Base military authorities and were never seen again by the…
  • p. 87 …referred to repeatedly in Menzel's writings, never with any quantitative discussion of precisely what he…
  • p. 100 …visual observations of classical UFO's have never been made by profes- sional astronomers. For example…
  • p. 101 …how the promised political or social intervention never materializes. Psychological Factors. The psychologist Carl Jung pointed…
  • p. 125 …Oh, heavens, I never suggested that, I hope. Mr. BOONE. Well, let me say, science fiction…
  • p. 159 …He has not ever been exposed to any toxic substances, has never had to take any…
  • p. 168 …He said he had never had the experience of deja-vu episodes or of performing acts…
  • p. 171 …It never occurred to him to call anyone else's attention to the light (probably because…
  • p. 172 …He had never seen anything like it before and in fact had never previously had the…
  • p. 173 …He has taken only two sick days in the entire five years and is never late…
  • p. 174 …He never has fantasied actively taking his own life, however, and feels it would be very…
  • p. 175 …He never was one to participate in extracurricular activities, but always maintained a part-time job…
  • p. 176 …Prior to seeing that light, he apparently never experienced a deja vu, or any illusory or…
  • p. 194 …If the observer being studied is truly sociopathic and has never de- veloped a super -ego…
  • p. 203 197 This data, which most people have never seen or even heard of, is published in…
  • p. 206 …They never have had enough sCientists in the project. They have failed to follow up certain…
  • p. 221 …Isn't it true that UFOs have never been sighted on radar? No, it is not…
  • p. 243 …make such an all- inclusive negative statement. Never- theless, many of the arguments are highly compelling…
  • p. 244 …A balloon reported as a UFO was never out of sight of its launchers. A perplexing…
  • p. 247 …al- though he apologizes because he has never had the time to make a thorough search…
  • p. 249 …two leads appeared, but other witnesses could never be located), but his ap- parent sincerity was…
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an unknown moving at speeds estimated at about 7000 mph. It is an interesting
case, one that came to light for somewhat curious reasons. A low overcast pre-
cluded any visual sightings from control tower personnel, so this is not a radar-
visual case. I found no conventional explanation to account for it.
It has to be stressed that there are many ways in which false returns can be
seen on radarscopes, resulting not only from ducting of ground returns but also
from interference from other nearby radars, from internal electronic signals
within the radar set, from angels and insects (weak returns), etc. Hence each
case has to be examined independently. After studying a number of official
evaluations of radar UFO cases, I get the impression that there would probably
be more radar Unknowns if there were less tendency to quickly explain them
away by qualitative arguments that overlook pertinent quantitative matters. Even
at that, there are too many conceded unknowns in official files to be ignored.
A famous case in UFO annals involved a B-29 over the Gulf of Mexico, where
several unknowns were tracked on the airborne scopes and were seen simul-
taneously by crewmen, moving under the aircraft as they passed by (Refs. 4, 10,
25). This one is still carried as Unidentified in official files. Still another famous
combined radar-visual case, which Hynek has termed "one of the most puzzling
cases I have studied," occurred between Rapid City and Bismarck on August 5,
1953. It involved both ground and airborne radar and ground and airborne visual
sightings, but is far too long and complex to recapitulate here.
Perhaps the above suffices to indicate that UFOs are at times seen on radar and
have been so seen for many years. The question of why we don't hear a great deal
about such sightings, especially with newer and more elaborate surveillance
radars, is a reasonable question. Some of the answers to that one are posed by
the statement of Dr. Robert M. L. Baker, Jr., in these proceedings. Other parts
of the answer must be omitted here.
WHY AREN'T THERE NUMEROUS PHOTOS OF UFO'S IF THEY REALLY EXIST?
Here is a question for which I regard available answers as still unsatis-
factory. I concede that it does seem reasonable to expect that there should, over
the past 20 years, be substantially more good photos than are known to exist.
Although I do not regard that puzzle as satisfactorily answered, neither do I
think that it can be safely concluded that the paucity of good photos disproves
the reality of the UFOs. Many imponderables enter into consideration of this
question.
1. Some general considerations
If one had reliable statistics on the fraction of the population that carried
loaded cameras with them at any randomly selected moment (I would guess it
would be only of the order of one per cent) and had figures bearing on the proba-
bility that a UFO witness would think of taking a photo before his observation
terminated, then these might be combined with available information on num-
bers of sightings to attempt crude estimates of the expected number of UFO
photos that should have accumulated in 20 years. Then one would need to
weight the data for likelihood that any given photo would find its way to some-
one who would make it known in scientific circles, and then this figure might be
compared with the very small number of photos that appear to stand the test of
the exceedingly close scrutiny photos demand.
A general rule among serious UFO investigators with whom I have been in
touch is that the UFO photo is no better than the photographer (Hall). Many
hoax photos have been brought forth. A UFO photo can be sold; this attracts
hoax and fraud to an extent not matched in anecdotal accounts. Many photos
have been clearly established as fraudulent in nature; far larger numbers seem
so suspicious on circumstantial grounds that no serious investigator gives them
more than casual attention.
An interesting, even if very crude check on the likelihood of securing photos of
UFOs from the general populace is afforded by fireball events. On April 25, 1966,
a fireball rated at about magnitude —10, arced northward across the northeastern
U.S. From the total geographic area over which this fireball was visually
detected, the population count is about 40 million persons. According to one
account (Ref. 43), 200 visual accounts were turned in, and I infer that only 6
photos were submitted. The fireball was visible for a relatively long time as
meteors go, about 30 seconds, and was, of course, at a great altitude (25 to 110
km). That 6 photos were submitted (at time of publication of the cited article)

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