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Symposium on unidentified flying objects: hearings before the Committee on Science and Astronautics, U.S. House of Representatives, Ninetieth Congress, second session, July 29, 1968.

U.S. House of Representatives · 1968-07-29 · 256 pages · text from the file's own layer

This is the printed record of a July 29, 1968 symposium on unidentified flying objects held by the Committee on Science and Astronautics of the U.S. House of Representatives, chaired by Rep. J. Edward Roush. The committee heard statements from six scientists: J. Allen Hynek, James E. McDonald, Carl Sagan, Robert L. Hall, James A. Harder and Robert M. L. Baker. It also printed papers from Donald Menzel, Stanton Friedman, Frank Salisbury and others. Hynek argued that puzzling UFO reports from competent witnesses deserve serious scientific study.

  • p. 12 …in a peasant society whose eyes were never turned toward the skies. Can we afford not…
  • p. 13 …for a proper and definitive study will never develop. I recall an encounter I had sometime…
  • p. 16 …A very character- istic statement by those making the reports is: "I have never seen anything…
  • p. 18 …They also usually request anonymity which is always granted. (4) UFO's are never seen at…
  • p. 19 …Other misconceptions are that UFO's are never reported by scien- tifically trained people, are never…
  • p. 20 …it has never been considered worthwhile to improve the data -gathering process because the whole subject…
  • p. 27 …he is looking at something he has never seen before. I like Dr. Hynek's phrase…
  • p. 37 …at the Ontario Hydro Commission plant has never been identified, but initially thetentative suspicion was centered…
  • p. 39 …cover- ing innumerable intriguing cases I had never before heard of, and (above all) after the…
  • p. 43 …diminish in sig- nificance, though they can never be overlooked. A frequent objection to serious consideration…
  • p. 45 …out- of-the-way rural areas but never over large cities? Why don't large groups…
  • p. 48 …Smith emphasized that they were never certain of sizes and distances, but that they had the…
  • p. 53 …is deceased), I believe that there has never been any dispute as to the observed facts…
  • p. 59 …Many other sources could be cited to show that the intimation that UFOs are never seen…
  • p. 65 …After the 'official "explanation" was publicized, he decided he'd never report another one. I predict…
  • p. 68 …In the ensuing two decades, he has never again seen anything like it. Clearly, the probability…
  • p. 69 …Moore never got a sufficiently clear view to identify any finer details if any were present…
  • p. 75 …the past twenty years, cases that ought never have been so labelled, had the evaluators kept…
  • p. 76 …Ground radar stations never detected the unknown that was seen visually and contacted by airborne radar…
  • p. 77 …strong, bright pips, said that "anomalous propagation never entered our heads as an explanation." Howard S…
  • p. 78 …7) but could never close with the unknown as its continued on its north- bound course…
  • p. 80 …All three said they had never before seen anything like it. Munger decided to phone his…
  • p. 81 …The photos were shortly taken by Base military authorities and were never seen again by the…
  • p. 87 …referred to repeatedly in Menzel's writings, never with any quantitative discussion of precisely what he…
  • p. 100 …visual observations of classical UFO's have never been made by profes- sional astronomers. For example…
  • p. 101 …how the promised political or social intervention never materializes. Psychological Factors. The psychologist Carl Jung pointed…
  • p. 125 …Oh, heavens, I never suggested that, I hope. Mr. BOONE. Well, let me say, science fiction…
  • p. 159 …He has not ever been exposed to any toxic substances, has never had to take any…
  • p. 168 …He said he had never had the experience of deja-vu episodes or of performing acts…
  • p. 171 …It never occurred to him to call anyone else's attention to the light (probably because…
  • p. 172 …He had never seen anything like it before and in fact had never previously had the…
  • p. 173 …He has taken only two sick days in the entire five years and is never late…
  • p. 174 …He never has fantasied actively taking his own life, however, and feels it would be very…
  • p. 175 …He never was one to participate in extracurricular activities, but always maintained a part-time job…
  • p. 176 …Prior to seeing that light, he apparently never experienced a deja vu, or any illusory or…
  • p. 194 …If the observer being studied is truly sociopathic and has never de- veloped a super -ego…
  • p. 203 197 This data, which most people have never seen or even heard of, is published in…
  • p. 206 …They never have had enough sCientists in the project. They have failed to follow up certain…
  • p. 221 …Isn't it true that UFOs have never been sighted on radar? No, it is not…
  • p. 243 …make such an all- inclusive negative statement. Never- theless, many of the arguments are highly compelling…
  • p. 244 …A balloon reported as a UFO was never out of sight of its launchers. A perplexing…
  • p. 247 …al- though he apologizes because he has never had the time to make a thorough search…
  • p. 249 …two leads appeared, but other witnesses could never be located), but his ap- parent sincerity was…
69
Discussion.—I
am
still
in
the
process
of
trying
to locate
Kratovil
to
confirm
sighting
details;
but
the
fact
that
four
newspaper
accounts for that
day
give
the
same
information
about
the
major
points
probably
justifies
acceptance
of
those
points.
From
upper-wind
data
for that
area
and
time,
I
have
confirmed
the
presence
of
fairly
strong flow
from
the
WSW
aloft,
whence
Kratovil's
press
comment,
"If
this
was
a
weather
balloon,
it's
the
first
time
I
ever
saw
one
traveling
against
the
wind,"
seems
reasonable.
The
cruising
speed
of
a
Constella-
tion
is
around 300
mph,
so during
the
reported
10
minutes'
duration
of the
crew's
sighting,
they
moved
about
50
miles
relative
to
the
air,
so
it
would have
been
impossible
for
them
to
have
kept
a
weather
balloon in
sight
for
this
long.
Furthermore,
it
was
about
1.5
hours
after
scheduled
balloon
-release
time,
so
that
even
a
small
balloon
would have
either
burst
or passed
to
altitudes
too
high
to
be
visible.
Finally,
with
flow
out
of the
southwest
sector
from
surface to
above
20,000
ft.,
any
balloon
from
Grenier
AFB
would have
been
carried
along
a
trajectory
nowhere
near
where
the
TWA
crew
spotted
the
"large,
white
-colored,
disc
-like
object"
overhead.
5.
In
my
files
are
many
other "balloon"
cases
from
the past
twenty
years,
cases
that
ought
never
have
been
so
labelled,
had
the
evaluators
kept
relevant
quan-
titative
points
in
mind.
To
ignore
most
of the
salient
features
of
a
sighting
in
order
to
advance
an
easy
"balloon" explanation
is
only
one
more
of
many
different
ways
in
which
some
very
puzzling
UFO
observations
have
been
shoved out
of
sight.
WHY
AREN'T
UFO'S
EVER
TRACKED
BY
RADAR?
The
skeptic
who
asks
this
question,
and
many
do,
is
asking
a
very
reasonable
question.
With
so
much
radar equipment
deployed
all
over the world,
and
especially
within
the
United
States,
it
seems
sensible
to
expect
that,
if
there
are
any
airborne
devices
maneuvering
in
our
airspace,
they
ought
to
show
up
on
radars once
in
a
while.
They
do
indeed,
and
have
been doing so for
all
of
the
two
decades
that
radar
has
been
in
widespread
use.
Here,
as
with so
many
other
general misconceptions
about
the
true
state
of the
UFO
problem,
we
encounter
disturbingly
large
amounts
of
misinformation.
As
with
other
categories
of
UFO
misinformation, the only
adequate
corrective is detailed discussion
of
large
numbers
of
individual
cases.
Only
space
limitations
preclude
discussion
of dozens
of
striking
radar
-tracking incidents involving
UFOs,
both here
and
abroad;
they
do
exist.
1.
Case
85.
Fukuoka,
Japan,
October
15,1948.
A
very
early
radar
-UFO
case,
still
held
as
an
official
Unidentified,
involved
an
attempted
interception
of the
unknown
object
by an F-61
flying
near
Fukuoka,
Japan,
at
about 11:00
p.m.
local
time
on
10/15/48.
The
official
file
on
this
incident
is
lengthy
(Ref.
42)
;
only the
highlights
can
be
recounted
here.
The
F-61
(with
pilot
and
radar
operator)
made
six
attempts
to
close
with the
unknown, from
which
a
radar
return
was
repeatedly obtained
with the
airborne radar.
Each
time
the
radarman
would
get
a
contact
and
the
F-61
pilot
tried
to
close,
the
unknown
would
accelerate
and
pass
out
of range.
Although
the
radar
return
seemedcomparable
to that of
a
conventional
aircraft,
"the radar
observer estimated that
on
three
of the
sightings,
the
object traveled
seven
miles in approximately
twenty
seconds, giving
a
speed of approximately
1200
mph."In
another
passage, the
official
case
-file
remarks
that
"when
the
P-61
approached
within
12,000
feet,
the
target
executed
a
180
0 turn
and
dived
under
the
F-61,"
adding that
"the
F-61
attempted
to
dive
with the
target
but
was
unable
to
keep
pace."
The
report
mentions that the
unknown
"could
go
almost
straight
up
or
down
out of radar
elevation
limits,"
and
asserts
further that"this aircraft
seemed
to
be cognizant of the
whereabouts of the
F-61
at
all
times
. .
."
The F-61
airmen,
1st Lt. Oliver
Hemphill
(pilot)
and 2d
Lt.
Barton Halter
(radarman)
are
described in the report
as
being
"of
excellent character
and
intelligence
and
are trained observers."
Hemphill, drawing on
his
combat
experience in the European
theater, said
that
"the only aircraft
I
can compare our
targets to is
the
German
ME
-163."

Cases discussed

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