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Symposium on unidentified flying objects: hearings before the Committee on Science and Astronautics, U.S. House of Representatives, Ninetieth Congress, second session, July 29, 1968.

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This is the printed record of a July 29, 1968 symposium on unidentified flying objects held by the Committee on Science and Astronautics of the U.S. House of Representatives, chaired by Rep. J. Edward Roush. The committee heard statements from six scientists: J. Allen Hynek, James E. McDonald, Carl Sagan, Robert L. Hall, James A. Harder and Robert M. L. Baker. It also printed papers from Donald Menzel, Stanton Friedman, Frank Salisbury and others. Hynek argued that puzzling UFO reports from competent witnesses deserve serious scientific study.

  • p. 7 …of advanced technological ma- chinery manned by some kind of intelligence, that is, the extrater- restrial…
  • p. 9 …American Association for the Advancement of Science; Astronomy Society(secretary). Specialty: Astrophysics. Fields of Interest: Stellar…
  • p. 19 …The Air Force has no evidence that UFO's are extra-terrestrial or rep- resent advanced…
  • p. 24 18 (The biography of Dr.McDonald follows:) DR. JAMES E. MCDONAI,D Born: Duluth, Minn., May…
  • p. 29 …from some advanced technology sufficiently advanced to do what we cannot do in the sense of…
  • p. 32 …The possibility that these are extraterrestrial devices, that we are dealing with surveillance from some advanced…
  • p. 40 …THE UNCONVENTIONAL NATURE OF THE UFO PROBLEM To both laymen and scientists, the impressive progress that…
  • p. 48 …At first, they thought it was a jet, whose exhaust was somehow accounting for the advancing…
  • p. 59 …advanced civilization of extraterrestrial origin, the pattern of the observa- tions, the motivation of the surveillance…
  • p. 75 …To ignore most of the salient features of a sighting in order to advance an easy…
  • p. 94 …Now, if we want to assess the likelihood that there are intelligentcivilizations somewhere in advance of…
  • p. 95 …be far in advance of our own,and this,therefore raises the question of how likely…
  • p. 96 …that an advance civilization comes here very rarely. But I again emphasize the great uncertainty in…
  • p. 97 91 So, to conclude what I understand is the main reason why this committee has asked…
  • p. 100 …the possibility of its development by other civilizations. But if each of, say, a million advanced…
  • p. 101 …a race of advanced and benign creatures were devoted to our welfare. The interest in unidentified…
  • p. 111 …The possible value of contact for purposes of advancing our knowledge of our technology. Let's…
  • p. 112 …again the same possible great value from under- standing the phenomenon in order to advance our…
  • p. 116 …We must then concern ourselves with the possible consequences of contact with technologically advanced civilizations whose…
  • p. 117 111 the task. We must also 'be concerned with the risks of panic resulting in people…
  • p. 124 …Gravitation remains one of the enigmas of modern science, although there have been some advances in…
  • p. 125 …This will depend upon advances in many fields of science. Some of the things required will…
  • p. 130 …Gravitation remains one of the enigmas of modern science, although there have been some advances in…
  • p. 132 …Baker's professional society memberships include the American Associa- tion for the Advancement of Science, Phi…
  • p. 140 …There have been many debates on the technical capabilities or limits on the capabilities of advanced…
  • p. 141 135 area of forecasting the social characteristics of an advanced extrater- restrial civilization. Philosophers, social scientists…
  • p. 142 …in the environs of the earth, or to make dubious speculations either concerning "their" advanced scientific…
  • p. 143 …the gross characteristics of an advanced civilization. These studies (probablynot Government funded) should include the social…
  • p. 150 …Applications and Advanced Topics, Academic Press, New York, pp. 112-115 and pp. 376 to 392…
  • p. 153 147 00015 "Recent Advances in Astrodynamics," (with Samuel Herrick), Jet Propul- sion, 28, No. 10, 1958…
  • p. 154 …00040 "State-of-the-Art-1960 Astrodynamics,"Astronautics, 5, No. 11, 30, 1960. 00041 "Novel Orbit…
  • p. 157 …Makemson) 00071 Astrodynamics - Applications and Advanced Topics, Academic Press, New York, 1967. 00072 "Recent Advances in…
  • p. 171 …In the past five years, he has advanced from assistant bookkeeper to teller to head teller…
  • p. 174 …He has no desire to advance any further up the bank totem pole, says he never…
  • p. 189 …advanced radar systems air being de- vekii2ed for our missile defense systems, such as the ALTAR…
  • p. 190 …of the Earth or to make very dubious speculations 191, t101 either concerning "their" advanced scientific…
  • p. 203 …The primary attribute of an advanced intelligent civilization is its ability to create its own environment…
  • p. 204 …Menzel became acting Director of Harvard College Observatory and, in 1954, was advanced to the Directorship…
  • p. 207 …approach it or advances as you move away. As we look over the Air Force files…
  • p. 210 …Or at least that is the com- mon argument advanced by UFO buffs. Radar is cursed…
  • p. 212 …Life Member of American Association for the Advancement of Science. Professional Organizational Activities: State delegate to…
  • p. 217 …our level of advancement? As noted in the Special Report of the USAF Scientific Advisory Board…
  • p. 219 …Friedman has a relatively unique background in advanced technology, hav- ing been actively involved in the…
  • p. 222 …the existence of advanced civilizations. We frequently forget that the resolution of present photographs of the…
  • p. 223 …36, 37) and the American Association for the Advancement of Science is planning a UFO seminar…
  • p. 224 …reason, would not examine the data relevant to UFOs or advanced technology. Marcowitz was totally wrong…
  • p. 225 …reason, would not examine the data relevant to UFOs or advanced technology. Marcowitz was totally wrong…
  • p. 226 …B., "The Phenomenological Aspects of Magnetogasdynamic Re-entry." Presented at the 10th Midwestern Mechanics Conference, Colorado…
  • p. 227 …not alone in the Universe and surely some civilizations are more advanced than ours, but interstellar…
  • p. 233 …possible sites in advance, we could simply move in to recover the desired information after an…
  • p. 234 …The effectiveness of the proposed procedure would depend very heavily upon the amount of thought, care…
  • p. 237 …listed in advance on a 'standardized rating sheet. However this part of the experiment will not…
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2. Case 32. Odessa, Wash., December 10,1952
According to an official case-summary (Ref. 7, Rept. 10), two airmen in an
F-94 "made visual and radar contact with a large, round white object larger
than any known type of aircraft" near 1915 PST on 12/10/52 near Odessa.
The radar operator in the F-94 had airborne radar contact with the object
for 15 minutes, and during that same interval, ground radar was also track-
ing it. The summary states that "the object appeared to be level with the inter-
cepting F-94 at 26,000 to 27,000 ft," and it is pointed out that "a dim reddish-
white light came from the object as it hovered, reversed direction almost in-
stantaneously and then disappeared." It is stated that the skies were clear above
3000 ft. The official evaluation of this incident is "Possible Balloon", although
the report notes that no upper-air research balloon was known to be in the
area on this date. The principal basis for calling it a balloon was the observers'
description of "large, round and white and extremely large", and it was re-
marked that the instrument package on some balloon flights is capable of yield-
ing a radar return.
Discussion. To conclude that this was a "Possible Balloon" just on the basis
of the description, "large, round and white and extremely large", and thereby
to ignore the instantaneous course reversal and the inability of a 600-mph
jet to close with it over a period of 15 minutes seems unreasonable. We may
ignore questions of wind speeds at the altitude of the object and the F-94 be-
cause both would enjoy the same "tail-wind effect". In 15 minutes, the F-94
would be capable of moving 150 miles relative to any balloon at its altitude.
On the other hand, airborne radar sets of that period would scarcely detect
a target of cross-section represented by the kinds of instrument packages hung
on balloons of the Skyhook type, unless the aircraft were within something
like 10 or 15 miles of it. Yet it is stated that the F-94 was pursuing it under
radar contact for a time interval corresponding to an airpath ten times that
distance. Clearly, categorizing this unkown as a "balloon" was incompatible
with the reported details of the case.
On the other hand, there seems no reason to take seriously Menzel's evalua-
tion of this Odessa F-94 sighting (Ref. 25, p. 62). Menzel evidently had the full
file on this case, for he adds a few details beyond those in Ref. 7, details similar
to those in Ruppelt's account of the case (Ref. 5):
"Dim reddish-white lights seemed to be coming from 'windows', and no trail
or exh,aust was visible. The pilot attempted to intercept but the object performed
amazing feats—did a chandelle in front of the plane, rushed away, stopped, and
then made straight for the aircraft on a collision course at incredible speed."
He indicates that after the pilot banked to avoid collision he could not again
locate it visually, although another brief radar contact was obtained. Having
recounted those and other sighting details, Menzel then offers his interpre-
tations:
"In the east, Sirius was just rising over the horizon at the exact bearing of
the unknown object. Atmospheric refraction would have produced exactly the
phenomenon described. The scone atmospheric conditions that caused the mPrage
of the star would have caused anomalous radar returns."
Now stars just above the viewer's horizon do scintillate and do undergo
turbulent image-displacement, but one must consider quantitative matters. A
refractive excursion of a stellar image through even a few minutes of arc would
be an extremely large excursion. To suggest that a pilot would report that Sirius
did a chandelle is both to forget realities of astronomy and to do injustice to
the pilot. In fact, however. Menzel seems to have done his computations incor-
rectly, for it is easily ascertained that Sirius was not even in the Washington
skies at 7:15 p.m. PST on 12/10/52. It lay at about 10 degrees below the east-
ern horizon. A further quite unreasonable element of Menzel's explanation of
the Odessa case is his easy assertion that the radar returns were anomalous
results of the "atmospheric conditions". Aircraft flying at altitudes of 26,000
ft do not get ground returns on level flight as a result of propagation anomalies.
These extreme foreings of explanations recur throughout Menzel's writings;
one of thier common denominators is lack of attention to relevant quantitative
factors.
3. Case 33. Rosalia, Wash., February 6, 1953
Another official case-summary of interest here is cited by Menzel (Ref. 25,
p. 46). Keyhoe (Ref. 4), who studied the ease-file on it much earlier, gives
similar information, though in less detail. A B-36, bound for Spokane was
over Rosana, Wash., at 1:13 a.m. when, as Menzel describes it,

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