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Symposium on unidentified flying objects: hearings before the Committee on Science and Astronautics, U.S. House of Representatives, Ninetieth Congress, second session, July 29, 1968.

U.S. House of Representatives · 1968-07-29 · 256 pages · text from the file's own layer

This is the printed record of a July 29, 1968 symposium on unidentified flying objects held by the Committee on Science and Astronautics of the U.S. House of Representatives, chaired by Rep. J. Edward Roush. The committee heard statements from six scientists: J. Allen Hynek, James E. McDonald, Carl Sagan, Robert L. Hall, James A. Harder and Robert M. L. Baker. It also printed papers from Donald Menzel, Stanton Friedman, Frank Salisbury and others. Hynek argued that puzzling UFO reports from competent witnesses deserve serious scientific study.

  • p. 12 …in a peasant society whose eyes were never turned toward the skies. Can we afford not…
  • p. 13 …for a proper and definitive study will never develop. I recall an encounter I had sometime…
  • p. 16 …A very character- istic statement by those making the reports is: "I have never seen anything…
  • p. 18 …They also usually request anonymity which is always granted. (4) UFO's are never seen at…
  • p. 19 …Other misconceptions are that UFO's are never reported by scien- tifically trained people, are never…
  • p. 20 …it has never been considered worthwhile to improve the data -gathering process because the whole subject…
  • p. 27 …he is looking at something he has never seen before. I like Dr. Hynek's phrase…
  • p. 37 …at the Ontario Hydro Commission plant has never been identified, but initially thetentative suspicion was centered…
  • p. 39 …cover- ing innumerable intriguing cases I had never before heard of, and (above all) after the…
  • p. 43 …diminish in sig- nificance, though they can never be overlooked. A frequent objection to serious consideration…
  • p. 45 …out- of-the-way rural areas but never over large cities? Why don't large groups…
  • p. 48 …Smith emphasized that they were never certain of sizes and distances, but that they had the…
  • p. 53 …is deceased), I believe that there has never been any dispute as to the observed facts…
  • p. 59 …Many other sources could be cited to show that the intimation that UFOs are never seen…
  • p. 65 …After the 'official "explanation" was publicized, he decided he'd never report another one. I predict…
  • p. 68 …In the ensuing two decades, he has never again seen anything like it. Clearly, the probability…
  • p. 69 …Moore never got a sufficiently clear view to identify any finer details if any were present…
  • p. 75 …the past twenty years, cases that ought never have been so labelled, had the evaluators kept…
  • p. 76 …Ground radar stations never detected the unknown that was seen visually and contacted by airborne radar…
  • p. 77 …strong, bright pips, said that "anomalous propagation never entered our heads as an explanation." Howard S…
  • p. 78 …7) but could never close with the unknown as its continued on its north- bound course…
  • p. 80 …All three said they had never before seen anything like it. Munger decided to phone his…
  • p. 81 …The photos were shortly taken by Base military authorities and were never seen again by the…
  • p. 87 …referred to repeatedly in Menzel's writings, never with any quantitative discussion of precisely what he…
  • p. 100 …visual observations of classical UFO's have never been made by profes- sional astronomers. For example…
  • p. 101 …how the promised political or social intervention never materializes. Psychological Factors. The psychologist Carl Jung pointed…
  • p. 125 …Oh, heavens, I never suggested that, I hope. Mr. BOONE. Well, let me say, science fiction…
  • p. 159 …He has not ever been exposed to any toxic substances, has never had to take any…
  • p. 168 …He said he had never had the experience of deja-vu episodes or of performing acts…
  • p. 171 …It never occurred to him to call anyone else's attention to the light (probably because…
  • p. 172 …He had never seen anything like it before and in fact had never previously had the…
  • p. 173 …He has taken only two sick days in the entire five years and is never late…
  • p. 174 …He never has fantasied actively taking his own life, however, and feels it would be very…
  • p. 175 …He never was one to participate in extracurricular activities, but always maintained a part-time job…
  • p. 176 …Prior to seeing that light, he apparently never experienced a deja vu, or any illusory or…
  • p. 194 …If the observer being studied is truly sociopathic and has never de- veloped a super -ego…
  • p. 203 197 This data, which most people have never seen or even heard of, is published in…
  • p. 206 …They never have had enough sCientists in the project. They have failed to follow up certain…
  • p. 221 …Isn't it true that UFOs have never been sighted on radar? No, it is not…
  • p. 243 …make such an all- inclusive negative statement. Never- theless, many of the arguments are highly compelling…
  • p. 244 …A balloon reported as a UFO was never out of sight of its launchers. A perplexing…
  • p. 247 …al- though he apologizes because he has never had the time to make a thorough search…
  • p. 249 …two leads appeared, but other witnesses could never be located), but his ap- parent sincerity was…
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2. Case 32. Odessa, Wash., December 10,1952
According to an official case-summary (Ref. 7, Rept. 10), two airmen in an
F-94 "made visual and radar contact with a large, round white object larger
than any known type of aircraft" near 1915 PST on 12/10/52 near Odessa.
The radar operator in the F-94 had airborne radar contact with the object
for 15 minutes, and during that same interval, ground radar was also track-
ing it. The summary states that "the object appeared to be level with the inter-
cepting F-94 at 26,000 to 27,000 ft," and it is pointed out that "a dim reddish-
white light came from the object as it hovered, reversed direction almost in-
stantaneously and then disappeared." It is stated that the skies were clear above
3000 ft. The official evaluation of this incident is "Possible Balloon", although
the report notes that no upper-air research balloon was known to be in the
area on this date. The principal basis for calling it a balloon was the observers'
description of "large, round and white and extremely large", and it was re-
marked that the instrument package on some balloon flights is capable of yield-
ing a radar return.
Discussion. To conclude that this was a "Possible Balloon" just on the basis
of the description, "large, round and white and extremely large", and thereby
to ignore the instantaneous course reversal and the inability of a 600-mph
jet to close with it over a period of 15 minutes seems unreasonable. We may
ignore questions of wind speeds at the altitude of the object and the F-94 be-
cause both would enjoy the same "tail-wind effect". In 15 minutes, the F-94
would be capable of moving 150 miles relative to any balloon at its altitude.
On the other hand, airborne radar sets of that period would scarcely detect
a target of cross-section represented by the kinds of instrument packages hung
on balloons of the Skyhook type, unless the aircraft were within something
like 10 or 15 miles of it. Yet it is stated that the F-94 was pursuing it under
radar contact for a time interval corresponding to an airpath ten times that
distance. Clearly, categorizing this unkown as a "balloon" was incompatible
with the reported details of the case.
On the other hand, there seems no reason to take seriously Menzel's evalua-
tion of this Odessa F-94 sighting (Ref. 25, p. 62). Menzel evidently had the full
file on this case, for he adds a few details beyond those in Ref. 7, details similar
to those in Ruppelt's account of the case (Ref. 5):
"Dim reddish-white lights seemed to be coming from 'windows', and no trail
or exh,aust was visible. The pilot attempted to intercept but the object performed
amazing feats—did a chandelle in front of the plane, rushed away, stopped, and
then made straight for the aircraft on a collision course at incredible speed."
He indicates that after the pilot banked to avoid collision he could not again
locate it visually, although another brief radar contact was obtained. Having
recounted those and other sighting details, Menzel then offers his interpre-
tations:
"In the east, Sirius was just rising over the horizon at the exact bearing of
the unknown object. Atmospheric refraction would have produced exactly the
phenomenon described. The scone atmospheric conditions that caused the mPrage
of the star would have caused anomalous radar returns."
Now stars just above the viewer's horizon do scintillate and do undergo
turbulent image-displacement, but one must consider quantitative matters. A
refractive excursion of a stellar image through even a few minutes of arc would
be an extremely large excursion. To suggest that a pilot would report that Sirius
did a chandelle is both to forget realities of astronomy and to do injustice to
the pilot. In fact, however. Menzel seems to have done his computations incor-
rectly, for it is easily ascertained that Sirius was not even in the Washington
skies at 7:15 p.m. PST on 12/10/52. It lay at about 10 degrees below the east-
ern horizon. A further quite unreasonable element of Menzel's explanation of
the Odessa case is his easy assertion that the radar returns were anomalous
results of the "atmospheric conditions". Aircraft flying at altitudes of 26,000
ft do not get ground returns on level flight as a result of propagation anomalies.
These extreme foreings of explanations recur throughout Menzel's writings;
one of thier common denominators is lack of attention to relevant quantitative
factors.
3. Case 33. Rosalia, Wash., February 6, 1953
Another official case-summary of interest here is cited by Menzel (Ref. 25,
p. 46). Keyhoe (Ref. 4), who studied the ease-file on it much earlier, gives
similar information, though in less detail. A B-36, bound for Spokane was
over Rosana, Wash., at 1:13 a.m. when, as Menzel describes it,

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