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Symposium on unidentified flying objects: hearings before the Committee on Science and Astronautics, U.S. House of Representatives, Ninetieth Congress, second session, July 29, 1968.

U.S. House of Representatives · 1968-07-29 · 256 pages · text from the file's own layer

This is the printed record of a July 29, 1968 symposium on unidentified flying objects held by the Committee on Science and Astronautics of the U.S. House of Representatives, chaired by Rep. J. Edward Roush. The committee heard statements from six scientists: J. Allen Hynek, James E. McDonald, Carl Sagan, Robert L. Hall, James A. Harder and Robert M. L. Baker. It also printed papers from Donald Menzel, Stanton Friedman, Frank Salisbury and others. Hynek argued that puzzling UFO reports from competent witnesses deserve serious scientific study.

  • p. 7 …of advanced technological ma- chinery manned by some kind of intelligence, that is, the extrater- restrial…
  • p. 9 …American Association for the Advancement of Science; Astronomy Society(secretary). Specialty: Astrophysics. Fields of Interest: Stellar…
  • p. 19 …The Air Force has no evidence that UFO's are extra-terrestrial or rep- resent advanced…
  • p. 24 18 (The biography of Dr.McDonald follows:) DR. JAMES E. MCDONAI,D Born: Duluth, Minn., May…
  • p. 29 …from some advanced technology sufficiently advanced to do what we cannot do in the sense of…
  • p. 32 …The possibility that these are extraterrestrial devices, that we are dealing with surveillance from some advanced…
  • p. 40 …THE UNCONVENTIONAL NATURE OF THE UFO PROBLEM To both laymen and scientists, the impressive progress that…
  • p. 48 …At first, they thought it was a jet, whose exhaust was somehow accounting for the advancing…
  • p. 59 …advanced civilization of extraterrestrial origin, the pattern of the observa- tions, the motivation of the surveillance…
  • p. 75 …To ignore most of the salient features of a sighting in order to advance an easy…
  • p. 94 …Now, if we want to assess the likelihood that there are intelligentcivilizations somewhere in advance of…
  • p. 95 …be far in advance of our own,and this,therefore raises the question of how likely…
  • p. 96 …that an advance civilization comes here very rarely. But I again emphasize the great uncertainty in…
  • p. 97 91 So, to conclude what I understand is the main reason why this committee has asked…
  • p. 100 …the possibility of its development by other civilizations. But if each of, say, a million advanced…
  • p. 101 …a race of advanced and benign creatures were devoted to our welfare. The interest in unidentified…
  • p. 111 …The possible value of contact for purposes of advancing our knowledge of our technology. Let's…
  • p. 112 …again the same possible great value from under- standing the phenomenon in order to advance our…
  • p. 116 …We must then concern ourselves with the possible consequences of contact with technologically advanced civilizations whose…
  • p. 117 111 the task. We must also 'be concerned with the risks of panic resulting in people…
  • p. 124 …Gravitation remains one of the enigmas of modern science, although there have been some advances in…
  • p. 125 …This will depend upon advances in many fields of science. Some of the things required will…
  • p. 130 …Gravitation remains one of the enigmas of modern science, although there have been some advances in…
  • p. 132 …Baker's professional society memberships include the American Associa- tion for the Advancement of Science, Phi…
  • p. 140 …There have been many debates on the technical capabilities or limits on the capabilities of advanced…
  • p. 141 135 area of forecasting the social characteristics of an advanced extrater- restrial civilization. Philosophers, social scientists…
  • p. 142 …in the environs of the earth, or to make dubious speculations either concerning "their" advanced scientific…
  • p. 143 …the gross characteristics of an advanced civilization. These studies (probablynot Government funded) should include the social…
  • p. 150 …Applications and Advanced Topics, Academic Press, New York, pp. 112-115 and pp. 376 to 392…
  • p. 153 147 00015 "Recent Advances in Astrodynamics," (with Samuel Herrick), Jet Propul- sion, 28, No. 10, 1958…
  • p. 154 …00040 "State-of-the-Art-1960 Astrodynamics,"Astronautics, 5, No. 11, 30, 1960. 00041 "Novel Orbit…
  • p. 157 …Makemson) 00071 Astrodynamics - Applications and Advanced Topics, Academic Press, New York, 1967. 00072 "Recent Advances in…
  • p. 171 …In the past five years, he has advanced from assistant bookkeeper to teller to head teller…
  • p. 174 …He has no desire to advance any further up the bank totem pole, says he never…
  • p. 189 …advanced radar systems air being de- vekii2ed for our missile defense systems, such as the ALTAR…
  • p. 190 …of the Earth or to make very dubious speculations 191, t101 either concerning "their" advanced scientific…
  • p. 203 …The primary attribute of an advanced intelligent civilization is its ability to create its own environment…
  • p. 204 …Menzel became acting Director of Harvard College Observatory and, in 1954, was advanced to the Directorship…
  • p. 207 …approach it or advances as you move away. As we look over the Air Force files…
  • p. 210 …Or at least that is the com- mon argument advanced by UFO buffs. Radar is cursed…
  • p. 212 …Life Member of American Association for the Advancement of Science. Professional Organizational Activities: State delegate to…
  • p. 217 …our level of advancement? As noted in the Special Report of the USAF Scientific Advisory Board…
  • p. 219 …Friedman has a relatively unique background in advanced technology, hav- ing been actively involved in the…
  • p. 222 …the existence of advanced civilizations. We frequently forget that the resolution of present photographs of the…
  • p. 223 …36, 37) and the American Association for the Advancement of Science is planning a UFO seminar…
  • p. 224 …reason, would not examine the data relevant to UFOs or advanced technology. Marcowitz was totally wrong…
  • p. 225 …reason, would not examine the data relevant to UFOs or advanced technology. Marcowitz was totally wrong…
  • p. 226 …B., "The Phenomenological Aspects of Magnetogasdynamic Re-entry." Presented at the 10th Midwestern Mechanics Conference, Colorado…
  • p. 227 …not alone in the Universe and surely some civilizations are more advanced than ours, but interstellar…
  • p. 233 …possible sites in advance, we could simply move in to recover the desired information after an…
  • p. 234 …The effectiveness of the proposed procedure would depend very heavily upon the amount of thought, care…
  • p. 237 …listed in advance on a 'standardized rating sheet. However this part of the experiment will not…
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itself, then accelerate and rise over a mountain range and pass off into the
distance in some ten seconds. Because a weather balloon had been released
earlier (actually about an hour and forty-five minutes earlier) from the Tucson
airport Weather Bureau station, the official explanation, published in the local
press, was that the witnesses had seen a "weather balloon". A pilot balloon of
the small type (30-gram) used in this instance rises at about 600 ft/min, the
tiny light on it becomes invisible to the naked eye beyond about 10,000 ft slant-
range, and the upper-level winds weren't even blowing toward the site in ques-
tion. Also the angular size estimated for the observed reddish half-moon was
about twice the lunar diameter, and some said about four times larger. A pilot
balloon light would have to be within about 20-30 feet to appear this large.
Yet such a case will enter the files (if even transmitted to higher echelons) as
a "balloon", swelling the population of curious balloon-evaluations in official
files.
1. Case 31. Ft. Monmouth, N.J., September 10, 1951
It is clear from Ruppelt's discussions (Ref. 5) that a series of radar and
visual sightings near Ft. Monmouth on 9/10/51 and the next day were a critical
importance in affecting official handling of the UFO problem in the ensuing
two-year period. Many details from the official file on these sightings are now
available for scientific scrutiny (Ref. 7). Here, a sighting by two military airmen
flying in a T-33 near Ft. Monmouth will be selected from that series of events
because the sighting was eventually tagged as a weather balloon. As with any
really significant UFO case, it would require far more space than can be used
here to spell out adequately all relevant details, so a very truncated account
must be employed. While flying at 20,000 ft from a Delaware to a Long Island
airbase, the two men in the T-33 spotted an object "round and silver in color"
which at one stage of the attempted intercept appeared flat. The T-33 was put
into a descending turn to try to close on the object but the latter turned
tightly (the airmen stated) and passed rapidly eastward towards the coast of
New Jersey and out to sea. A pair of weather balloons (probably radiosonde
balloons but no information thereon given in the files) had been released from
the Evans Signal Laboratory near Ft. Monmouth, and the official evaluation
indicates that this is what the airmen saw.
However, it is stated that the balloons were released at 1112 EDST, and the
sighting began at about 1135 EDST with the T-33 over Point Pleasant, N.J. In
that elapsed time, a radiosonde balloon, inflated to rise at the 800-900 ft/min
rate used for such devices, would have attained an altitude of about 17-18,000
ft, the analysis notes. From this point on, the official analysis seems to be built
on erroneous inferences. The airmen said that, as they tried to turn on the
object, it appeared to execute a 120-degree turn over Freehold, N.J., before
speeding out over the Atlantic. But from the upper winds for that day, it is
clear that the Ft. Monmouth balloon trajectory would have taken it to the
northeast, and by 1135, it would have been about over the coast in the vicinity
of Sea Bright. Hence, at no time in the interval involved could the line of sight
from T-33 to balloon have intersected Freehold, which lies about 15 miles WSW
of the balloon release-point. Instead, had the airmen somehow seen the radio-
sonde balloon from Pt. Pleasant, it would have lain to about their N or NNE
and would have stayed in about that sector until they passed it. Furthermore,
the size of the balloon poses a serious difficulty for the official analysis. Assum-
ing that it had expanded to a diameter of about 15 feet as it ascended to about
the 18,000-ft level, it would have subtended an arc of only 0.6 min, as seen from
the T-33 when the latter passed over Pt. Pleasant. This angular size is, for an
unaided eye, much too small to fit the airmen's descriptions of what they tried
to intercept. In a press interview (Ref. 40), the pilot, Wilbert S. Rogers of
Columbia, Pa., said the object, was "perfectly round and fiat" and that the
center of the disc was raised "about six feet" and that it appeared to be moving
at an airspeed of the order of 900 mph. The entire reasoning on which the
balloon evaluation is elaborated fails to fit readily established points in the
official case-summary.
Discussion. The possibility that a pilot can be misled by depth-perception
errors and coordinate-reference errors to misconstrue a weather balloon as a
fast-maneuvering object must always be kept in mind. But in the Ft. Monmouth
instance, as in many others that could be discussed in detail, there is a very
large gap between the balloon hypothesis and the facts. The basic sighting-report
here is quite similar to many other daytime sightings by airborne observers who
have seen unconventional disc-like objects pass near their aircraft.

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