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Symposium on unidentified flying objects: hearings before the Committee on Science and Astronautics, U.S. House of Representatives, Ninetieth Congress, second session, July 29, 1968.

U.S. House of Representatives · 1968-07-29 · 256 pages · text from the file's own layer

This is the printed record of a July 29, 1968 symposium on unidentified flying objects held by the Committee on Science and Astronautics of the U.S. House of Representatives, chaired by Rep. J. Edward Roush. The committee heard statements from six scientists: J. Allen Hynek, James E. McDonald, Carl Sagan, Robert L. Hall, James A. Harder and Robert M. L. Baker. It also printed papers from Donald Menzel, Stanton Friedman, Frank Salisbury and others. Hynek argued that puzzling UFO reports from competent witnesses deserve serious scientific study.

  • p. 7 …of advanced technological ma- chinery manned by some kind of intelligence, that is, the extrater- restrial…
  • p. 9 …American Association for the Advancement of Science; Astronomy Society(secretary). Specialty: Astrophysics. Fields of Interest: Stellar…
  • p. 19 …The Air Force has no evidence that UFO's are extra-terrestrial or rep- resent advanced…
  • p. 24 18 (The biography of Dr.McDonald follows:) DR. JAMES E. MCDONAI,D Born: Duluth, Minn., May…
  • p. 29 …from some advanced technology sufficiently advanced to do what we cannot do in the sense of…
  • p. 32 …The possibility that these are extraterrestrial devices, that we are dealing with surveillance from some advanced…
  • p. 40 …THE UNCONVENTIONAL NATURE OF THE UFO PROBLEM To both laymen and scientists, the impressive progress that…
  • p. 48 …At first, they thought it was a jet, whose exhaust was somehow accounting for the advancing…
  • p. 59 …advanced civilization of extraterrestrial origin, the pattern of the observa- tions, the motivation of the surveillance…
  • p. 75 …To ignore most of the salient features of a sighting in order to advance an easy…
  • p. 94 …Now, if we want to assess the likelihood that there are intelligentcivilizations somewhere in advance of…
  • p. 95 …be far in advance of our own,and this,therefore raises the question of how likely…
  • p. 96 …that an advance civilization comes here very rarely. But I again emphasize the great uncertainty in…
  • p. 97 91 So, to conclude what I understand is the main reason why this committee has asked…
  • p. 100 …the possibility of its development by other civilizations. But if each of, say, a million advanced…
  • p. 101 …a race of advanced and benign creatures were devoted to our welfare. The interest in unidentified…
  • p. 111 …The possible value of contact for purposes of advancing our knowledge of our technology. Let's…
  • p. 112 …again the same possible great value from under- standing the phenomenon in order to advance our…
  • p. 116 …We must then concern ourselves with the possible consequences of contact with technologically advanced civilizations whose…
  • p. 117 111 the task. We must also 'be concerned with the risks of panic resulting in people…
  • p. 124 …Gravitation remains one of the enigmas of modern science, although there have been some advances in…
  • p. 125 …This will depend upon advances in many fields of science. Some of the things required will…
  • p. 130 …Gravitation remains one of the enigmas of modern science, although there have been some advances in…
  • p. 132 …Baker's professional society memberships include the American Associa- tion for the Advancement of Science, Phi…
  • p. 140 …There have been many debates on the technical capabilities or limits on the capabilities of advanced…
  • p. 141 135 area of forecasting the social characteristics of an advanced extrater- restrial civilization. Philosophers, social scientists…
  • p. 142 …in the environs of the earth, or to make dubious speculations either concerning "their" advanced scientific…
  • p. 143 …the gross characteristics of an advanced civilization. These studies (probablynot Government funded) should include the social…
  • p. 150 …Applications and Advanced Topics, Academic Press, New York, pp. 112-115 and pp. 376 to 392…
  • p. 153 147 00015 "Recent Advances in Astrodynamics," (with Samuel Herrick), Jet Propul- sion, 28, No. 10, 1958…
  • p. 154 …00040 "State-of-the-Art-1960 Astrodynamics,"Astronautics, 5, No. 11, 30, 1960. 00041 "Novel Orbit…
  • p. 157 …Makemson) 00071 Astrodynamics - Applications and Advanced Topics, Academic Press, New York, 1967. 00072 "Recent Advances in…
  • p. 171 …In the past five years, he has advanced from assistant bookkeeper to teller to head teller…
  • p. 174 …He has no desire to advance any further up the bank totem pole, says he never…
  • p. 189 …advanced radar systems air being de- vekii2ed for our missile defense systems, such as the ALTAR…
  • p. 190 …of the Earth or to make very dubious speculations 191, t101 either concerning "their" advanced scientific…
  • p. 203 …The primary attribute of an advanced intelligent civilization is its ability to create its own environment…
  • p. 204 …Menzel became acting Director of Harvard College Observatory and, in 1954, was advanced to the Directorship…
  • p. 207 …approach it or advances as you move away. As we look over the Air Force files…
  • p. 210 …Or at least that is the com- mon argument advanced by UFO buffs. Radar is cursed…
  • p. 212 …Life Member of American Association for the Advancement of Science. Professional Organizational Activities: State delegate to…
  • p. 217 …our level of advancement? As noted in the Special Report of the USAF Scientific Advisory Board…
  • p. 219 …Friedman has a relatively unique background in advanced technology, hav- ing been actively involved in the…
  • p. 222 …the existence of advanced civilizations. We frequently forget that the resolution of present photographs of the…
  • p. 223 …36, 37) and the American Association for the Advancement of Science is planning a UFO seminar…
  • p. 224 …reason, would not examine the data relevant to UFOs or advanced technology. Marcowitz was totally wrong…
  • p. 225 …reason, would not examine the data relevant to UFOs or advanced technology. Marcowitz was totally wrong…
  • p. 226 …B., "The Phenomenological Aspects of Magnetogasdynamic Re-entry." Presented at the 10th Midwestern Mechanics Conference, Colorado…
  • p. 227 …not alone in the Universe and surely some civilizations are more advanced than ours, but interstellar…
  • p. 233 …possible sites in advance, we could simply move in to recover the desired information after an…
  • p. 234 …The effectiveness of the proposed procedure would depend very heavily upon the amount of thought, care…
  • p. 237 …listed in advance on a 'standardized rating sheet. However this part of the experiment will not…
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only
something
that
"spiraled
downwards"
beneath
the
explosion source.
No
witness
seemed
certain
of
what
it
was
that
came
down;
some
spoke
of
"glowing
embers";
no
one
gave
indication
of
following
it
to
ground.
Glossing
over
other
details
bearing
on
this
"explosion"
at
an
estimated
5-600
ft.
above Sunset
and
Sycamore,
witnesses
next
became
aware
that the
just
-
extinguished
red
light
had
evidently
reappeared
in
a
new
location,
about
a
block
to
the
west.
Police
officers
Ray
Lopez
and
Daniel
Jaffee,
of
LAPD,
located
at
the corner
of
Sunset
and
La
Brea,
heard
the
explosion
and
looked
up,
seeing
the
light
in
its
new
location "directly
overhead",
as
did
many
others
at
that
intersection
who
then
watched
the red
light
hovering in
its
new
location
for
about
8
minutes.
(
Space
precludes
my
giving
all
pertinent
information
on
time
-
estimates
as
set
out
in
the
21
-page
LANS
summary. For
example,
a
good
time
-fix
on
the
explosion
came
from
the fact that
E.
W.
Cass,
a
contractor
living
almost
a
mile west,
was
just
winding
his
alarm
clock,
looking
at
it,
when
flare
-like
illumination
"lit
up
the
whole bedroom",
just
at
the
indicated
time
of
11
:30.
He
went
out,
watched
the hovering red
light
in
its
new
location,
and
added
further
details
I
shall
omit
here.
Others
took
their
time
clues
from
the
fact that
11
:30
commercials
had
just
come
on
TV
when
they
heard
the
peculiar
explosion
and
hastened
outside to
check,
etc.)
The
red
light,
now
over
Sunset
and
La
Brea,
was
roughly
triangulated
at about
1000
ft
up,
a
figure
in
accord
with
several
witness
comments
that,
when
it
re-
appeared
some
4-5
seconds
after
the
"explosion",
it
lay
not
only
somewhat
west
of
its
first
location,
but
noticeably higher.
After hovering
there
for
a
time
in-
ferred to
be
eight
minutes,
it
began
slowly
drifting
eastward,
much
as on
the
previous
night
when much
less
spectacular
events
had
occurred.
Larry Moquin,one
witness
who
had
taken
rather
careful
alignment
fixes
using
rooflines
as
an
aid,
remarked
that,
at
this stage,
La
Brea and
Sunset
was
filled
with
watchers:
"Everybody
was
standing
outside
their
cars
looking
up—cars
were
backed
up
in the
streets—and everyone
was
asking
each
other,
"What
is
it?"
After
moving
slowly
but
steadily
(observers
mentioned
absence of
bobbing,
weaving, or
irregularity
in
its
motion)
for
about
a
block
east,
to
its
first
loca-
tion
it
turned sharply
towards the
north-northeast, accelerated,
and
climbed
steeply,
not
stopping
again
until
at
a
very high
altitude
well
to
the
north.
From
crude
triangulation,
LANS
investigators inferred
a
new
hovering
altitude
of over
25,000
ft,
but
it is
clear
from
the
data
involved
that
this
estimate
is
extremely
rough.
Discussion.—Although
I
have done
no
personal witness
-interviewing to
date
In the
2/60 Hollywood
case,
I
can
vouch
for the
diligence
and
reliability
with
which
the
LANS
group
pursues
its
case
-studies.
The
large
number
of interviews
secured
and
the degree of
consistency
found
therein
seem
to
argue
that
some
extremely
unusual
devices
maneuvered
over
Hollywood
on
the
two
nights inquestion.
Unless
one
simply
rejects
most
of the
salient
features of the
reports.
it
is
quite clear
that
no
meteorological
or astronomical explanation
is
at
all
reasonable.
Nor
does
any
conventional
aircraft
match
the
reports.
The
question
that
arises
almost immediately
is
that of
a
practical
joke,
a
hoax.
However,
the
resources required
to fabricate
some
device
yielding
the
complex
behavior (stop
motionless,
move
against
wind,
explosively
emit
secondary
de-
vices,
and
finally,
in the
2/6
event,
climb
to
rather
high
altitude)
would
scarcely
be
available to
college
pranksters.
The
phenomena go
so far beyond the
gas
-
balloon
level
of hoaxing
that
one
must
have
some much
more
elaborate
hoax
hypothesis to
account for the
reported events.
Balloons
must
drift
with the winds,
and
the
LANS
group
secured the
local
upper-wind data for both
nights,
and
there
is
no match
between
the reported
motions
and
the
winds
in the surface-1000
-ft
layer.
And,
in
any
event,
the
alternation
between
hovering
and
moving,
plus
the
distinct direction
-shifts
without change
of
apparent
altitude,
cannot
be
squared with
balloon
-drift.
This would
mean
that
some
highly
controlled
device
was
involved, capable (in the
2/6
incident) of hovering in
an
almost
precisely
stationary
position relative
to the
ground
(Moquin
sighted carefully,
using
struc-
tural objects
to secure
a
fix
when
the red
light
lay
right
over
La
Brea and Sun-
set,
and
perceived
no motion for
many
minutes).
Yet
the
Weather Bureau was
reporting
5 mph
winds from
the southwest at 1000
ft (triangulated altitude
when
hovering there).
Only
if
one
hypothesized that
this
was an
expensively elaborate
experiment in psychological
warfare could
one account for financial resources
needed to build
a
device capable of simulating
some
of these
phenomena. Such
a
hypothesis
seems
quite unreasonable in the 100-megaton age where
ever-presentrealities
of weaponry pose
more
psychological strains
than Disney
-like
pyrotechnics.

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