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Symposium on unidentified flying objects: hearings before the Committee on Science and Astronautics, U.S. House of Representatives, Ninetieth Congress, second session, July 29, 1968.

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This is the printed record of a July 29, 1968 symposium on unidentified flying objects held by the Committee on Science and Astronautics of the U.S. House of Representatives, chaired by Rep. J. Edward Roush. The committee heard statements from six scientists: J. Allen Hynek, James E. McDonald, Carl Sagan, Robert L. Hall, James A. Harder and Robert M. L. Baker. It also printed papers from Donald Menzel, Stanton Friedman, Frank Salisbury and others. Hynek argued that puzzling UFO reports from competent witnesses deserve serious scientific study.

  • p. 12 …in a peasant society whose eyes were never turned toward the skies. Can we afford not…
  • p. 13 …for a proper and definitive study will never develop. I recall an encounter I had sometime…
  • p. 16 …A very character- istic statement by those making the reports is: "I have never seen anything…
  • p. 18 …They also usually request anonymity which is always granted. (4) UFO's are never seen at…
  • p. 19 …Other misconceptions are that UFO's are never reported by scien- tifically trained people, are never…
  • p. 20 …it has never been considered worthwhile to improve the data -gathering process because the whole subject…
  • p. 27 …he is looking at something he has never seen before. I like Dr. Hynek's phrase…
  • p. 37 …at the Ontario Hydro Commission plant has never been identified, but initially thetentative suspicion was centered…
  • p. 39 …cover- ing innumerable intriguing cases I had never before heard of, and (above all) after the…
  • p. 43 …diminish in sig- nificance, though they can never be overlooked. A frequent objection to serious consideration…
  • p. 45 …out- of-the-way rural areas but never over large cities? Why don't large groups…
  • p. 48 …Smith emphasized that they were never certain of sizes and distances, but that they had the…
  • p. 53 …is deceased), I believe that there has never been any dispute as to the observed facts…
  • p. 59 …Many other sources could be cited to show that the intimation that UFOs are never seen…
  • p. 65 …After the 'official "explanation" was publicized, he decided he'd never report another one. I predict…
  • p. 68 …In the ensuing two decades, he has never again seen anything like it. Clearly, the probability…
  • p. 69 …Moore never got a sufficiently clear view to identify any finer details if any were present…
  • p. 75 …the past twenty years, cases that ought never have been so labelled, had the evaluators kept…
  • p. 76 …Ground radar stations never detected the unknown that was seen visually and contacted by airborne radar…
  • p. 77 …strong, bright pips, said that "anomalous propagation never entered our heads as an explanation." Howard S…
  • p. 78 …7) but could never close with the unknown as its continued on its north- bound course…
  • p. 80 …All three said they had never before seen anything like it. Munger decided to phone his…
  • p. 81 …The photos were shortly taken by Base military authorities and were never seen again by the…
  • p. 87 …referred to repeatedly in Menzel's writings, never with any quantitative discussion of precisely what he…
  • p. 100 …visual observations of classical UFO's have never been made by profes- sional astronomers. For example…
  • p. 101 …how the promised political or social intervention never materializes. Psychological Factors. The psychologist Carl Jung pointed…
  • p. 125 …Oh, heavens, I never suggested that, I hope. Mr. BOONE. Well, let me say, science fiction…
  • p. 159 …He has not ever been exposed to any toxic substances, has never had to take any…
  • p. 168 …He said he had never had the experience of deja-vu episodes or of performing acts…
  • p. 171 …It never occurred to him to call anyone else's attention to the light (probably because…
  • p. 172 …He had never seen anything like it before and in fact had never previously had the…
  • p. 173 …He has taken only two sick days in the entire five years and is never late…
  • p. 174 …He never has fantasied actively taking his own life, however, and feels it would be very…
  • p. 175 …He never was one to participate in extracurricular activities, but always maintained a part-time job…
  • p. 176 …Prior to seeing that light, he apparently never experienced a deja vu, or any illusory or…
  • p. 194 …If the observer being studied is truly sociopathic and has never de- veloped a super -ego…
  • p. 203 197 This data, which most people have never seen or even heard of, is published in…
  • p. 206 …They never have had enough sCientists in the project. They have failed to follow up certain…
  • p. 221 …Isn't it true that UFOs have never been sighted on radar? No, it is not…
  • p. 243 …make such an all- inclusive negative statement. Never- theless, many of the arguments are highly compelling…
  • p. 244 …A balloon reported as a UFO was never out of sight of its launchers. A perplexing…
  • p. 247 …al- though he apologizes because he has never had the time to make a thorough search…
  • p. 249 …two leads appeared, but other witnesses could never be located), but his ap- parent sincerity was…
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terrestrial
hypothesis
for
UFOs,
incomprehensibility
must
be
expected
as
almost
inevitable.
Hence
there
is
more
whimsy
than
good
reasoning
in queries
such
as,
"Why
don't
they land
on
the
White
House lawn and
shake
hands
with
the
President?"
Nevertheless,
the
evidence
affords
a
fairly
definite
answer
to
the
skeptics
ques-
tion,
"Why
aren't
they ever seen over or
in
cities?"
They
are.
1.
Case
16.
New
York
City,
November
22,1966
A
report
in
a
1967
issue
of
the
NICAP
UFO
Investigator
(Ref.
33)
reads
as
follows:
"A
UFO
over
the
United
Nations in
New
York
City
was
reportedly
seen
onNovember
22, 1966.
Witnesses
included
at
least
eight
employees
of
the
American
Newspaper
Publishers
Association,
who
watched
from
their
offices
on
the
17th
floor
of
750
Third
Avenue
at 4:20
p.m.
on
a
bright,
sunny
day.
The
UFO
was
a
rectangular,
cushion-shaped
object
. .
.(which)
came
southward
over
the
East
River,
then hovered over
the
UN
Building
.. .
It
fluttered
an
bobbed
like
a
ship
on
agitated
water."
Witnesses
mentioned
were
D.
R. McVay,
assistant
general
manager
of
ANPA
and
Mr.
W.
H.
Leick,
manager
of the
ANPA's
Publications
Department.
I
tele-
phoned
the
ANPA
offices
and
spoke at
some
length
with
Mr.
Leick
about
the
sighting.
He
confirmed that
eight
or nine persons
went
out
on
the 17th
floor ter-
race,
watching
the
object
hover
over the
UN
Building
(as
nearly
as
they
could
estimate) for
a number
of minutes
as
it
rocked
and
reflected
the
sun's
rays
with
a
golden
glint
before
rising
and
moving
off
eastward
at high
speed.
I
asked
Leick
if
they
reported
it
to
any
official
channels,
and
he
said
that
A. A.
LaSalle
called
a
New
York
office
of the Air
Force
and
was
assured that
an
officer
would
be
in
the
next
day
to interview
them.
But
no
one
ever
came.
Leick
added
that
they
also
phoned
a
New
York
newspaper
"which
shall
go unnamed,"
but "they
weren't
interested."
It
got
to
NICAP
almost
by
accident,
and
NICAP
sent
up
their
standard witness
-questionnaires
which-
Leick
said
they
all
filled
out.
Discussion.—When
an
incident
such
as
this
is
cited
to
the
skeptic
who
asks,
"Why
no
UFOs
near
cities?",
I
find
that
his
almost
invariable
retort
is
some-
thing
like:
"If
that
had
really
happened,
why
wouldn't
hundreds
to
thousands
of persons
have
reported
it?"
There
are,
I
believe,
two
factors
that
explain
the
latter
situation. First,
consider
the
tiny fraction
of persons
on
any
city street
whose
vision
is
directed
upwards
at
any
given
moment.
In
absence
of loud
noises
aloft,
most
urbanites don't
spend
any
large
amount
of
time
scanning the
skies.
In
addition to
infrequency of
sky
-scanning,
another
urban
obstacle to
UFO
detection
is
typically restricted vision
of the
full
dome
of
the
sky;
buildings
or
trees
cut
down
the
field
of
view
in
a
way
not so
typical
of the
view
afforded
the
farmer,
the
forest
ranger, or
a
person
driving in
open
country.
Finally, in
UFO
studies,
it
is
always
necessary
to
draw
sharp
distinction
between
a
"sighting"
and a
"report".
The
first
becomes
the second only
if
a
witness takes the
step
of
notifying
a
newspaper,
a law
-enforcement
office,
a
university,
or
some
official
agency. It
is
abundantly
clear,
from
the
experience
of
UFO
investigations in
many
parts of the world, that
psychological factors centering
around
unwilling-
ness
to
be
ridiculed
deter
most
witnesses
from
filing
any
official
report
on a
very
unusual
event.
Again
and
again'
one
learns
of
a
UFO
sighting quite
in-
directly,
from someone
who
knows
someone
who
once mentioned that
he'd
seen
something
rather unusual.
On
following
such
leads,
one
frequently
comes upon
extremely
significant
sightings
that
were
withheld
from
official
reporting
channels because of the
"ridicule
lid",
as
I
like
to
term
it,
that
imposes
a
filter
screening
out
a
large
number
of
good
sightings
at
their
source.
Returning
to
the
11
/
2
2/66
New
York
City
report,
I
must
say
that,
between
the information
NICAP
secured
from
the
witnesses
and
my
own
direct
con-versations
with Leick,
I
accept
this
as
a
quite real sighting,
made
by
reliable
observers
under viewing circumstances that
would seem
to rule
out obvious
conventional explanations.
When
the
object
left its
hovering
location,
it
rosestraight
upward
rapidly, before
heading
east,
Leick
said.
Although he and
his
colleagues
may
well
have
erred in their slant-range estimate
which put
it
over
the ITN
Building,
their description
of
its
shape and
its
maneuvers would appear
to rule
out
helicopters, aircraft, balloons,
etc.
2.
Case
17.
Hollywood,
Calif.,
February
5-6,
1960
A
still
more
striking instance in which
entirely
unconventional objects
wereobserved
by
many
city-dwellers,
where low
-altitude objects
hovered and
ex-hibited baffling
phenomena,
is
a
central
Hollywood case that
was
rather care-
fully checked by
LANS,
the Los Angeles
NICAP
Subcommittee (Ref. 34).
The

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