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Symposium on unidentified flying objects: hearings before the Committee on Science and Astronautics, U.S. House of Representatives, Ninetieth Congress, second session, July 29, 1968.

U.S. House of Representatives · 1968-07-29 · 256 pages · text from the file's own layer

This is the printed record of a July 29, 1968 symposium on unidentified flying objects held by the Committee on Science and Astronautics of the U.S. House of Representatives, chaired by Rep. J. Edward Roush. The committee heard statements from six scientists: J. Allen Hynek, James E. McDonald, Carl Sagan, Robert L. Hall, James A. Harder and Robert M. L. Baker. It also printed papers from Donald Menzel, Stanton Friedman, Frank Salisbury and others. Hynek argued that puzzling UFO reports from competent witnesses deserve serious scientific study.

  • p. 12 …in a peasant society whose eyes were never turned toward the skies. Can we afford not…
  • p. 13 …for a proper and definitive study will never develop. I recall an encounter I had sometime…
  • p. 16 …A very character- istic statement by those making the reports is: "I have never seen anything…
  • p. 18 …They also usually request anonymity which is always granted. (4) UFO's are never seen at…
  • p. 19 …Other misconceptions are that UFO's are never reported by scien- tifically trained people, are never…
  • p. 20 …it has never been considered worthwhile to improve the data -gathering process because the whole subject…
  • p. 27 …he is looking at something he has never seen before. I like Dr. Hynek's phrase…
  • p. 37 …at the Ontario Hydro Commission plant has never been identified, but initially thetentative suspicion was centered…
  • p. 39 …cover- ing innumerable intriguing cases I had never before heard of, and (above all) after the…
  • p. 43 …diminish in sig- nificance, though they can never be overlooked. A frequent objection to serious consideration…
  • p. 45 …out- of-the-way rural areas but never over large cities? Why don't large groups…
  • p. 48 …Smith emphasized that they were never certain of sizes and distances, but that they had the…
  • p. 53 …is deceased), I believe that there has never been any dispute as to the observed facts…
  • p. 59 …Many other sources could be cited to show that the intimation that UFOs are never seen…
  • p. 65 …After the 'official "explanation" was publicized, he decided he'd never report another one. I predict…
  • p. 68 …In the ensuing two decades, he has never again seen anything like it. Clearly, the probability…
  • p. 69 …Moore never got a sufficiently clear view to identify any finer details if any were present…
  • p. 75 …the past twenty years, cases that ought never have been so labelled, had the evaluators kept…
  • p. 76 …Ground radar stations never detected the unknown that was seen visually and contacted by airborne radar…
  • p. 77 …strong, bright pips, said that "anomalous propagation never entered our heads as an explanation." Howard S…
  • p. 78 …7) but could never close with the unknown as its continued on its north- bound course…
  • p. 80 …All three said they had never before seen anything like it. Munger decided to phone his…
  • p. 81 …The photos were shortly taken by Base military authorities and were never seen again by the…
  • p. 87 …referred to repeatedly in Menzel's writings, never with any quantitative discussion of precisely what he…
  • p. 100 …visual observations of classical UFO's have never been made by profes- sional astronomers. For example…
  • p. 101 …how the promised political or social intervention never materializes. Psychological Factors. The psychologist Carl Jung pointed…
  • p. 125 …Oh, heavens, I never suggested that, I hope. Mr. BOONE. Well, let me say, science fiction…
  • p. 159 …He has not ever been exposed to any toxic substances, has never had to take any…
  • p. 168 …He said he had never had the experience of deja-vu episodes or of performing acts…
  • p. 171 …It never occurred to him to call anyone else's attention to the light (probably because…
  • p. 172 …He had never seen anything like it before and in fact had never previously had the…
  • p. 173 …He has taken only two sick days in the entire five years and is never late…
  • p. 174 …He never has fantasied actively taking his own life, however, and feels it would be very…
  • p. 175 …He never was one to participate in extracurricular activities, but always maintained a part-time job…
  • p. 176 …Prior to seeing that light, he apparently never experienced a deja vu, or any illusory or…
  • p. 194 …If the observer being studied is truly sociopathic and has never de- veloped a super -ego…
  • p. 203 197 This data, which most people have never seen or even heard of, is published in…
  • p. 206 …They never have had enough sCientists in the project. They have failed to follow up certain…
  • p. 221 …Isn't it true that UFOs have never been sighted on radar? No, it is not…
  • p. 243 …make such an all- inclusive negative statement. Never- theless, many of the arguments are highly compelling…
  • p. 244 …A balloon reported as a UFO was never out of sight of its launchers. A perplexing…
  • p. 247 …al- though he apologizes because he has never had the time to make a thorough search…
  • p. 249 …two leads appeared, but other witnesses could never be located), but his ap- parent sincerity was…
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but also Jay W. Galbraith, operator of the airport, who, with his wife, watched
the object and Robert G. Butler, another of those at the airport. As Harris
attempted to close in, he got to a minimal distance that he thought might have
been approximately two or three miles from the object, when it abruptly rose
vertically by about 1000 ft, a maneuver confirmed by the ground witnesses. They
indicated to me that it took only a second or perhaps less to ascend. Just before
the abrupt rise, Harris had been viewing the object on an essentially dead-level
line of sight, with distant Mt. Nebo behind it, a significant feature of the case,
as will be brought out in a moment.
Before Harris could close his distance much more, the object began moving
off to the southeast at a speed well above his light-plane top speed. It was soon
an estimated ten miles or so away, but Harris continued his attempt to close.
However, after seeming to hover a short time in its new location, it began rising
and moving westward, at an extremely rapid speed, and passed out of sight aloft
to the southwest in only a few seconds. Some, but not all of the ground witnesses,
observed this final fast climb-out, I was told. Military jets were called, but the
object had gone before they arrived.
Both Harris and the ground observers using binoculars attested to lack of
wings or tail, and to the biconvex side view. Harris said he had the impression
its surface resembled "sand-blasted aluminum," but his closest view was about
2-3 miles away, and its estimated size was put at about 50-60 ft diameter (and
only a tenth as thick), so the impression of surface texture must be regarded as
uncertain. All witnesses confirmed that the object "wobbled" during its hover-
ing. Jay Galbraith said that, when Harris' Mooney Mark 20A was only a speck,
they could see the disc rather easily by naked eye, suggesting that its size may
have been substantially larger than Harris' estimated 50 ft. Galbraith's recol-
lection of its final departure was that it climbed at a very steep angle, perhaps
within about 20° of the vertical, he thought. Butler also recalled the final
departure and stressed that it was a surprisingly steep_ climb-out, quite beyond
any known jet speed. All remarked on 10/2/61 being a beautifully clear day.
Discussion.—Once again we deal with observed performance characteristics
far beyond anything of which we have present knowledge: a wingless device
that can hover, shoot straight up, and move fast enough to pass out of sight in a
matter of a few seconds does not correspond to any known terrestrial craft. The
official explanation was originally that Harris saw Venus. From astrnomical
data, one finds that Venus was in the Utah sky at noon in early October, but lay
in the southwest, whereas everyone's line of sight to the object lay to the
southeast. Furthermore, Harris' statement that at one stage he viewed the disc
against a distant mountain would contradict such an explanation. Finally, it is
well known to astronomers that Venus, even at peak brilliance, is not very easily
spotted in daytime, whereas he had no difficulty relocating it repeatedly as he
flew. Menzel (Ref. 25) proposed that it was merely a sundog that Harris and
the others were observing, and this was subsequently adopted as the official
explanation. But sundogs (parhelia), for well-known reasons, occur at elevation
angles equal to or slightly greater than the sun, which lay about 40° above the
southern horizon at noon in Salt Lake that day. Such a solar position would
imply that a sundog might have lain to the southeast (22° to the left of the sun),
but at an elevation angle that completely fails to match Harris' dead-level view-
ing (against a distant mountain, to further embarrass the sundog hypothesis).
Finally, to check the witness' statements about cloud-free skies, I checked with
the Salt Lake City Weather Bureau office, and their logs showed completely
clear skies and 40 miles visibility. Sundogs cannot occur without ice crystal
clouds present. The only weather balloon released that morning was sent up
at 10:00 a.m.; but in any event, one would have to write off almost all of the
observed details to proposp that this incident was a misinterpretation of a
weather balloon. As I see it the 10/2/61 Salt Lake City sighting is just one more
of the hundreds of very well-observed cases of machine-like craft exhibiting
"flight performance" far beyond the state and present-day technology.
4. Case 12 Larson AFB, Moses Lake, Washington, January 8, 1953
NICAP's recent publication of long-inaccessible official report-summaries
(Ref. 7) makes readily available to interested scientists a large number of fas-
cinating UFO reports. Many are in the multiple-witness catecrory, for example,
the dawn (0715 PST) sighting at Larson AFB where "over sixty varied military
and civilian sources observed one green disc-shaped object. The observations
continued for fifteen minutes during which time the obiect moved in a south-
westerly direction while bobbing vertically and going sideways. There was no

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