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Symposium on unidentified flying objects: hearings before the Committee on Science and Astronautics, U.S. House of Representatives, Ninetieth Congress, second session, July 29, 1968.

U.S. House of Representatives · 1968-07-29 · 256 pages · text from the file's own layer

This is the printed record of a July 29, 1968 symposium on unidentified flying objects held by the Committee on Science and Astronautics of the U.S. House of Representatives, chaired by Rep. J. Edward Roush. The committee heard statements from six scientists: J. Allen Hynek, James E. McDonald, Carl Sagan, Robert L. Hall, James A. Harder and Robert M. L. Baker. It also printed papers from Donald Menzel, Stanton Friedman, Frank Salisbury and others. Hynek argued that puzzling UFO reports from competent witnesses deserve serious scientific study.

  • p. 12 …in a peasant society whose eyes were never turned toward the skies. Can we afford not…
  • p. 13 …for a proper and definitive study will never develop. I recall an encounter I had sometime…
  • p. 16 …A very character- istic statement by those making the reports is: "I have never seen anything…
  • p. 18 …They also usually request anonymity which is always granted. (4) UFO's are never seen at…
  • p. 19 …Other misconceptions are that UFO's are never reported by scien- tifically trained people, are never…
  • p. 20 …it has never been considered worthwhile to improve the data -gathering process because the whole subject…
  • p. 27 …he is looking at something he has never seen before. I like Dr. Hynek's phrase…
  • p. 37 …at the Ontario Hydro Commission plant has never been identified, but initially thetentative suspicion was centered…
  • p. 39 …cover- ing innumerable intriguing cases I had never before heard of, and (above all) after the…
  • p. 43 …diminish in sig- nificance, though they can never be overlooked. A frequent objection to serious consideration…
  • p. 45 …out- of-the-way rural areas but never over large cities? Why don't large groups…
  • p. 48 …Smith emphasized that they were never certain of sizes and distances, but that they had the…
  • p. 53 …is deceased), I believe that there has never been any dispute as to the observed facts…
  • p. 59 …Many other sources could be cited to show that the intimation that UFOs are never seen…
  • p. 65 …After the 'official "explanation" was publicized, he decided he'd never report another one. I predict…
  • p. 68 …In the ensuing two decades, he has never again seen anything like it. Clearly, the probability…
  • p. 69 …Moore never got a sufficiently clear view to identify any finer details if any were present…
  • p. 75 …the past twenty years, cases that ought never have been so labelled, had the evaluators kept…
  • p. 76 …Ground radar stations never detected the unknown that was seen visually and contacted by airborne radar…
  • p. 77 …strong, bright pips, said that "anomalous propagation never entered our heads as an explanation." Howard S…
  • p. 78 …7) but could never close with the unknown as its continued on its north- bound course…
  • p. 80 …All three said they had never before seen anything like it. Munger decided to phone his…
  • p. 81 …The photos were shortly taken by Base military authorities and were never seen again by the…
  • p. 87 …referred to repeatedly in Menzel's writings, never with any quantitative discussion of precisely what he…
  • p. 100 …visual observations of classical UFO's have never been made by profes- sional astronomers. For example…
  • p. 101 …how the promised political or social intervention never materializes. Psychological Factors. The psychologist Carl Jung pointed…
  • p. 125 …Oh, heavens, I never suggested that, I hope. Mr. BOONE. Well, let me say, science fiction…
  • p. 159 …He has not ever been exposed to any toxic substances, has never had to take any…
  • p. 168 …He said he had never had the experience of deja-vu episodes or of performing acts…
  • p. 171 …It never occurred to him to call anyone else's attention to the light (probably because…
  • p. 172 …He had never seen anything like it before and in fact had never previously had the…
  • p. 173 …He has taken only two sick days in the entire five years and is never late…
  • p. 174 …He never has fantasied actively taking his own life, however, and feels it would be very…
  • p. 175 …He never was one to participate in extracurricular activities, but always maintained a part-time job…
  • p. 176 …Prior to seeing that light, he apparently never experienced a deja vu, or any illusory or…
  • p. 194 …If the observer being studied is truly sociopathic and has never de- veloped a super -ego…
  • p. 203 197 This data, which most people have never seen or even heard of, is published in…
  • p. 206 …They never have had enough sCientists in the project. They have failed to follow up certain…
  • p. 221 …Isn't it true that UFOs have never been sighted on radar? No, it is not…
  • p. 243 …make such an all- inclusive negative statement. Never- theless, many of the arguments are highly compelling…
  • p. 244 …A balloon reported as a UFO was never out of sight of its launchers. A perplexing…
  • p. 247 …al- though he apologizes because he has never had the time to make a thorough search…
  • p. 249 …two leads appeared, but other witnesses could never be located), but his ap- parent sincerity was…
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The crowd's attention to events in the sky did not lapse when the first object
was lost from view, and, about nine minutes later, someone spotted a second
,object, whereupon the event was again announced via the public address system.
Still a third object was brought to the attention of the crowd in the same
manner at 11 :25. The second object came out of the north, the third came from
almost due west. In the third case, someone thought of timing the oscillation
frequency (all three exhibited the same unconventional oscillation, with sun-
glint perceptible in certain of the instances of tipping, Taylor mentioned). The
oscillation frequency was clocked at 48 per minute. In the official report are
height estimates and some disparate comments on color, etc., from several other
witnesses, as well as remarks on other sightings in the same area on the same
day. Full details cannot be recounted here, for reasons of space limitation.
Taylor,in his statement submitted to official ingestigators, said:
"My experience in radio control of pilotless aircraft and guided missiles
for the Navy at NAMU during the war, and over 20 years of aircraft study,
does not permit my identification of the objects which were seen. They definitely
were not balloons, birds, common aircraft, parachutes, stars, meteors, paper,
-clouds, or other common objects. They moved in a regular motion either straight
or in curved lines. They were all at approximately the same altitude, but
moved on different courses as indicated on the sketch. The oscillations were
clearly visible and timed on the 3rd sighting * *
Discussion.—The official explanation for this case is "Balloons". I obtained
information on upper winds over that part of Washington on that day (700 and
500 mb charts), and the flow aloft between 10,000 and 20,000 ft was from the
southwest. The objects, all reported as about the same angular size, came from
three distinctly different directions, all within a period of less than an hour. This
immediately casts very strong doubt on the balloon hypothesis, as does the flipping
motion, the sunglint, and, above all, the fact that no pilot balloon stations were
located close upwind of Longview. Furthermore, a typical pilot balloon of about
1 meter diameter could be no higher than about 2500 ft altitude to subtend as
large an angle as 10 minutes of arc. Taylor's report (official files) gave transit
times of 2-3 minutes for the unknowns to cross the Longview sky, and, during
such a time interval, the normal ascent rate of a pilot balloon would carry it up
by 1200-1800 ft. To then fit the angular-size requirements would clearly require
that the balloons have been released at some nearby location, which fails to match
known pibal-station locations at that time. Furthermore, surface winds were from
the west, and winds a short distance above the ground were southwesterly, as
indicated by pulpmill smoke-drift described in Taylor's report. This, plus the
previously cited upper-flow directions, contradict the balloon hypothesis for all
three directions of arrival, particularly those coming from north and northwest.
To hypothesize that these were, say, Skyhook balloons coming from three differ-
ent (unknown) sites, at three different high altitudes, but all so arranged that
the apparent balloon diameter came out at about the same 10 minutes of arc
each time is scarcely reasonable. In all, I can only regard the balloon explanation
as untenable.
Disc-shaped objects have been sighted in dozens of instances, including Arnold's
6/24/47 Mt. Rainer sighting. In many, though not all, the odd flipping or flutter-
ing motion has been described by witnesses (Refs. 8, 10). What the dynamical
signficance of this might be is unclear. We know no more about this in 1968
than we knew in 1947, because such observations have been ignored as nonsense—
or misidentified balloons.
3. Case 11. Salt Lake City, Utah, Oct. 3, 1961
A midday sighting of a lens-shaped object involving one airborne witness and
seven witnesses on the ground became headline news in Salt Lake City (Ref. 32).
Accounts of the incident have been summarized elsewhere (Refs. 2, 10, 13, 25).
A private pilot, Mr. Waldo J. Harris, was taking off on Runway 160 at Utah
Central Airport at almost exactly noon on 10/2/61 when he noted what he at first
idly viewed as a distant airplane. He noted it again in the same area just after
becoming airborne, once more after gaining some altitude, and then became some-
what puzzled that it had not exhibited any appreciable change of position. About
then it seemed to tilt, glinting in the noonday sun, and exhibiting a shape unlike
any aircraft. To get a better view, Harris climbed towards the southeast and
found himself at its altitude when he was somewhat above 6000 ft. By then it
appeared as a biconvex metallic gray object, decidedly different from conven-
tional aircraft, so he radioed back to the airport, where eventually seven persons
were taking turns viewing it with binoculars. I have interviewed not only Harris,

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