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Symposium on unidentified flying objects: hearings before the Committee on Science and Astronautics, U.S. House of Representatives, Ninetieth Congress, second session, July 29, 1968.

U.S. House of Representatives · 1968-07-29 · 256 pages · text from the file's own layer

This is the printed record of a July 29, 1968 symposium on unidentified flying objects held by the Committee on Science and Astronautics of the U.S. House of Representatives, chaired by Rep. J. Edward Roush. The committee heard statements from six scientists: J. Allen Hynek, James E. McDonald, Carl Sagan, Robert L. Hall, James A. Harder and Robert M. L. Baker. It also printed papers from Donald Menzel, Stanton Friedman, Frank Salisbury and others. Hynek argued that puzzling UFO reports from competent witnesses deserve serious scientific study.

  • p. 12 …in a peasant society whose eyes were never turned toward the skies. Can we afford not…
  • p. 13 …for a proper and definitive study will never develop. I recall an encounter I had sometime…
  • p. 16 …A very character- istic statement by those making the reports is: "I have never seen anything…
  • p. 18 …They also usually request anonymity which is always granted. (4) UFO's are never seen at…
  • p. 19 …Other misconceptions are that UFO's are never reported by scien- tifically trained people, are never…
  • p. 20 …it has never been considered worthwhile to improve the data -gathering process because the whole subject…
  • p. 27 …he is looking at something he has never seen before. I like Dr. Hynek's phrase…
  • p. 37 …at the Ontario Hydro Commission plant has never been identified, but initially thetentative suspicion was centered…
  • p. 39 …cover- ing innumerable intriguing cases I had never before heard of, and (above all) after the…
  • p. 43 …diminish in sig- nificance, though they can never be overlooked. A frequent objection to serious consideration…
  • p. 45 …out- of-the-way rural areas but never over large cities? Why don't large groups…
  • p. 48 …Smith emphasized that they were never certain of sizes and distances, but that they had the…
  • p. 53 …is deceased), I believe that there has never been any dispute as to the observed facts…
  • p. 59 …Many other sources could be cited to show that the intimation that UFOs are never seen…
  • p. 65 …After the 'official "explanation" was publicized, he decided he'd never report another one. I predict…
  • p. 68 …In the ensuing two decades, he has never again seen anything like it. Clearly, the probability…
  • p. 69 …Moore never got a sufficiently clear view to identify any finer details if any were present…
  • p. 75 …the past twenty years, cases that ought never have been so labelled, had the evaluators kept…
  • p. 76 …Ground radar stations never detected the unknown that was seen visually and contacted by airborne radar…
  • p. 77 …strong, bright pips, said that "anomalous propagation never entered our heads as an explanation." Howard S…
  • p. 78 …7) but could never close with the unknown as its continued on its north- bound course…
  • p. 80 …All three said they had never before seen anything like it. Munger decided to phone his…
  • p. 81 …The photos were shortly taken by Base military authorities and were never seen again by the…
  • p. 87 …referred to repeatedly in Menzel's writings, never with any quantitative discussion of precisely what he…
  • p. 100 …visual observations of classical UFO's have never been made by profes- sional astronomers. For example…
  • p. 101 …how the promised political or social intervention never materializes. Psychological Factors. The psychologist Carl Jung pointed…
  • p. 125 …Oh, heavens, I never suggested that, I hope. Mr. BOONE. Well, let me say, science fiction…
  • p. 159 …He has not ever been exposed to any toxic substances, has never had to take any…
  • p. 168 …He said he had never had the experience of deja-vu episodes or of performing acts…
  • p. 171 …It never occurred to him to call anyone else's attention to the light (probably because…
  • p. 172 …He had never seen anything like it before and in fact had never previously had the…
  • p. 173 …He has taken only two sick days in the entire five years and is never late…
  • p. 174 …He never has fantasied actively taking his own life, however, and feels it would be very…
  • p. 175 …He never was one to participate in extracurricular activities, but always maintained a part-time job…
  • p. 176 …Prior to seeing that light, he apparently never experienced a deja vu, or any illusory or…
  • p. 194 …If the observer being studied is truly sociopathic and has never de- veloped a super -ego…
  • p. 203 197 This data, which most people have never seen or even heard of, is published in…
  • p. 206 …They never have had enough sCientists in the project. They have failed to follow up certain…
  • p. 221 …Isn't it true that UFOs have never been sighted on radar? No, it is not…
  • p. 243 …make such an all- inclusive negative statement. Never- theless, many of the arguments are highly compelling…
  • p. 244 …A balloon reported as a UFO was never out of sight of its launchers. A perplexing…
  • p. 247 …al- though he apologizes because he has never had the time to make a thorough search…
  • p. 249 …two leads appeared, but other witnesses could never be located), but his ap- parent sincerity was…
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of the windshield as a point. The object moved past this member at about 50
degrees per second. This object was peculiar in that it had what can be described
as a halo around it with a dark undersurfa,ce. It crossed rapidly and then slowed
down and started to climb in lazy circles slowly. The pattern it made was like
a falling oak leaf inverted. It went through these gyrations for a couple minute
and then with a very rapid acceleration disappeared to the east. This object Dick
and I watched for approximately five minutes."
Shortly after, still another unknown object shot straight across the sky from
west to east, but not before Kaliszewski succeeded in radioing theodolite ob-
servers at the University of Minnesota Airport. Two observers there (Douglas
Smith, Richard Dorian) got fleeting glimpses of what appeared to them to be
a cigar-shaped object viewed through the theodolite, but could not keep it in view
due to its fast angular motion. In my conversations with Kaliszewski about these
sightings, I gained the impression of talking with a careful observer, in full
accord with impressions held by three other independent sources, including Air
Force investigators.
Discussion.—The October 10 sighting is officially categorized as "Aircraft,"
the October 11 main sighting as "Unidentified." When I mentioned this to Kalis-
zewski, he was unable to understand how any distinction could be so drawn be-
tween the two sightings, both of which he felt matched no known aeronautical
device. Clearly, objects performing such intricate maneuvers are not meteors,
nor can they be fitted to any known meteorological explanations of which I am
aware. Instead, these objects seem best described as devices well beyond the
state of 1951 (or 1968) technology.
5. Case 5. Willow Grove,Pa., May 21,1966
Skipping over many other pilot observations to a more recent one which I
have personally checked, I call attention to a close-range airborne sighting of a
domed-disc, seen under midday conditions by two observers. One of them, Wil-
liam C. Powell, of Radnor, Pa., is a pilot with 18,000 logged flight hours. He
and a passenger, Miss Muriel McClave, were flying in Powell's Luscombe in the
Philadelphia area on the afternoon of 5/21/66 when an object that had been
first spotted as it apparently followed an outbound flight of Navy jets from
'Willow Grove NAS made a sharp (non-banking) turn and headed for Powell's
plane on a near-collision course. As the object passed close by, at a distance that
Powell put at roughly 100 yards, they both got a good look at the object. It was
circular in planform and had no wings or visible means of propulsion, both wit-
nesses emphasized to me in interviews. The upper domed portion they described
as "porcelain-white", while the lower discoid portion was bright red ("dayglow
red" Powell put it). It was slightly below their altitude as it passed on their
right, and Powell pointed out that it was entirely solid, for it obscured the dis-
tant horizon areas. His brief comment about its solidity and reality was, "It
was just like looking at a Cadillac." He estimated its airspeed as perhaps 200
mph, and it moved in a steady, non-fluttering manner. He estimated its diameter
at perhaps 20 feet. Miss McClave thought it might have been nearer 40 feet
across. Each put the thickness-to-diameter ratio as about one-half. After it passed
their starboard wing, Powell could see it only by looking back over his shoulder
through a small aft window, but Miss McClave had it in full view when suddenly,
she stated to me, it disappeared instantaneously, and they saw no more of it.
Discussion.—Powell flies executive transports for a large Eastern firm, after
years of military and airline duty. I have discussed the case with one of his
superiors, who speaks without qualification for Powell's trustworthiness. At a
UFO panel discussion held on April 22, 1967 at the annual meeting of the Ameri-
can Society of Newspaper Editors, Powell was asked to summarize his sighting.
His account is in the proceedings of that session (Ref. 30). I know of no natural
phenomenon that could come close to explaining this sighting. The visibility was
about 15 miles, they were flying in the clear at 4500 ft., and the object passed
nearby. A pilot with 18,000 hours flight experience is not capable of precise
midair distance and speed estimates, but his survival has probably hinged on
not commonly making errors of much over a factor or two. Given the account
and accepting its reliability, it seems necessary to say that here was one more
case of what Gen. Samford described as "credible observers seeing relatively
incredibile objects". I felt that Powell's summary of his sighting at the ASNE
meeting was particularly relevant because, in addition to my being on the panel
there, Dr. D. H. Menzel and Mr. Philip J. Klass, both strong exponents of meteoro-
logical-type UFO theories, were present to hear his account. I cannot see how one
could explain this incident in terms of meteorological optics nor in terms of ball
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