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Symposium on unidentified flying objects: hearings before the Committee on Science and Astronautics, U.S. House of Representatives, Ninetieth Congress, second session, July 29, 1968.

U.S. House of Representatives · 1968-07-29 · 256 pages · text from the file's own layer

This is the printed record of a July 29, 1968 symposium on unidentified flying objects held by the Committee on Science and Astronautics of the U.S. House of Representatives, chaired by Rep. J. Edward Roush. The committee heard statements from six scientists: J. Allen Hynek, James E. McDonald, Carl Sagan, Robert L. Hall, James A. Harder and Robert M. L. Baker. It also printed papers from Donald Menzel, Stanton Friedman, Frank Salisbury and others. Hynek argued that puzzling UFO reports from competent witnesses deserve serious scientific study.

  • p. 7 …of advanced technological ma- chinery manned by some kind of intelligence, that is, the extrater- restrial…
  • p. 9 …American Association for the Advancement of Science; Astronomy Society(secretary). Specialty: Astrophysics. Fields of Interest: Stellar…
  • p. 19 …The Air Force has no evidence that UFO's are extra-terrestrial or rep- resent advanced…
  • p. 24 18 (The biography of Dr.McDonald follows:) DR. JAMES E. MCDONAI,D Born: Duluth, Minn., May…
  • p. 29 …from some advanced technology sufficiently advanced to do what we cannot do in the sense of…
  • p. 32 …The possibility that these are extraterrestrial devices, that we are dealing with surveillance from some advanced…
  • p. 40 …THE UNCONVENTIONAL NATURE OF THE UFO PROBLEM To both laymen and scientists, the impressive progress that…
  • p. 48 …At first, they thought it was a jet, whose exhaust was somehow accounting for the advancing…
  • p. 59 …advanced civilization of extraterrestrial origin, the pattern of the observa- tions, the motivation of the surveillance…
  • p. 75 …To ignore most of the salient features of a sighting in order to advance an easy…
  • p. 94 …Now, if we want to assess the likelihood that there are intelligentcivilizations somewhere in advance of…
  • p. 95 …be far in advance of our own,and this,therefore raises the question of how likely…
  • p. 96 …that an advance civilization comes here very rarely. But I again emphasize the great uncertainty in…
  • p. 97 91 So, to conclude what I understand is the main reason why this committee has asked…
  • p. 100 …the possibility of its development by other civilizations. But if each of, say, a million advanced…
  • p. 101 …a race of advanced and benign creatures were devoted to our welfare. The interest in unidentified…
  • p. 111 …The possible value of contact for purposes of advancing our knowledge of our technology. Let's…
  • p. 112 …again the same possible great value from under- standing the phenomenon in order to advance our…
  • p. 116 …We must then concern ourselves with the possible consequences of contact with technologically advanced civilizations whose…
  • p. 117 111 the task. We must also 'be concerned with the risks of panic resulting in people…
  • p. 124 …Gravitation remains one of the enigmas of modern science, although there have been some advances in…
  • p. 125 …This will depend upon advances in many fields of science. Some of the things required will…
  • p. 130 …Gravitation remains one of the enigmas of modern science, although there have been some advances in…
  • p. 132 …Baker's professional society memberships include the American Associa- tion for the Advancement of Science, Phi…
  • p. 140 …There have been many debates on the technical capabilities or limits on the capabilities of advanced…
  • p. 141 135 area of forecasting the social characteristics of an advanced extrater- restrial civilization. Philosophers, social scientists…
  • p. 142 …in the environs of the earth, or to make dubious speculations either concerning "their" advanced scientific…
  • p. 143 …the gross characteristics of an advanced civilization. These studies (probablynot Government funded) should include the social…
  • p. 150 …Applications and Advanced Topics, Academic Press, New York, pp. 112-115 and pp. 376 to 392…
  • p. 153 147 00015 "Recent Advances in Astrodynamics," (with Samuel Herrick), Jet Propul- sion, 28, No. 10, 1958…
  • p. 154 …00040 "State-of-the-Art-1960 Astrodynamics,"Astronautics, 5, No. 11, 30, 1960. 00041 "Novel Orbit…
  • p. 157 …Makemson) 00071 Astrodynamics - Applications and Advanced Topics, Academic Press, New York, 1967. 00072 "Recent Advances in…
  • p. 171 …In the past five years, he has advanced from assistant bookkeeper to teller to head teller…
  • p. 174 …He has no desire to advance any further up the bank totem pole, says he never…
  • p. 189 …advanced radar systems air being de- vekii2ed for our missile defense systems, such as the ALTAR…
  • p. 190 …of the Earth or to make very dubious speculations 191, t101 either concerning "their" advanced scientific…
  • p. 203 …The primary attribute of an advanced intelligent civilization is its ability to create its own environment…
  • p. 204 …Menzel became acting Director of Harvard College Observatory and, in 1954, was advanced to the Directorship…
  • p. 207 …approach it or advances as you move away. As we look over the Air Force files…
  • p. 210 …Or at least that is the com- mon argument advanced by UFO buffs. Radar is cursed…
  • p. 212 …Life Member of American Association for the Advancement of Science. Professional Organizational Activities: State delegate to…
  • p. 217 …our level of advancement? As noted in the Special Report of the USAF Scientific Advisory Board…
  • p. 219 …Friedman has a relatively unique background in advanced technology, hav- ing been actively involved in the…
  • p. 222 …the existence of advanced civilizations. We frequently forget that the resolution of present photographs of the…
  • p. 223 …36, 37) and the American Association for the Advancement of Science is planning a UFO seminar…
  • p. 224 …reason, would not examine the data relevant to UFOs or advanced technology. Marcowitz was totally wrong…
  • p. 225 …reason, would not examine the data relevant to UFOs or advanced technology. Marcowitz was totally wrong…
  • p. 226 …B., "The Phenomenological Aspects of Magnetogasdynamic Re-entry." Presented at the 10th Midwestern Mechanics Conference, Colorado…
  • p. 227 …not alone in the Universe and surely some civilizations are more advanced than ours, but interstellar…
  • p. 233 …possible sites in advance, we could simply move in to recover the desired information after an…
  • p. 234 …The effectiveness of the proposed procedure would depend very heavily upon the amount of thought, care…
  • p. 237 …listed in advance on a 'standardized rating sheet. However this part of the experiment will not…
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Discussion. This case has been the subject of much comment over the years,
and rightly so. Menzel (Ref. 24) first proposed that this was a "mirage", but
gave no basis for such an unreasonable interpretation. The large azimuth-change
of the pilots' line of sight, the lack of any obvious light source to provide a basis
for the rather detailed structure of what was seen, the sharp pull-up, and the
high flight altitude involved all argue quite strongly against such a casual dis-
position of the case, In his second book, Menzel (Ref. 25) shifts to the explana-
tion that they had obviously seen a meteor. A horizontally-moving fireball under
a cloud-deck, at 5000 ft., exhibiting two rows of lights construed by experienced
pilots as ports, and finally executing a most non-ballistic 90-degree sharp pull-up,
is a strange fireball indeed. Menzels 1963 explanation is even more objectionable,
in that he implies, via a page of side-discussion, that the Eastern pilots had
seen a fireball from the Delta Aquarid meteor stream. As I have pointed out
elsewhere (Ref. 2), the radiant of that stream was well over 90° away from
the origin point of the unknown object. Also, bright fireballs are, with only
rare exceptions, not typical of meteor streams. The official explanation was
shifted recently from "Unidentified" to "Meteor", following publication of Men-
zel's 1963 discussion (see Ref. 20, p. 88).
Wingless, cigar-shaped or "rocket-shaped" objects, some emitting glowing
wakes, have been reported by other witnesses. Thus, Air Force Capt. Jack
Puckett, flying near 4000 ft. over Tampa in a 0-47 on August 1, 1946 (Ref. 10,
p. 23), described seeing "a long, cylindrical shape approximately twice the size
of a B-29 with luminous portholes", from the aft end of which there came a
stream of fire as it flew near his aircraft. Puckett states that he, his copilot, Lt.
H. F. Glass, and the flight engineer also saw it as it came in to within an esti-
mated 1000 yards before veering off. Another somewhat similar airborne sight-
ing, made in January 22, 1956 by TWA Flight Engineer Robert Mueller at night
over New Orleans, is on record (Ref. 27). Still another similar sighting is the
AAL case cited below (Sperry case). Again, over Truk Is., in the Pacific, a
Feb. 6, 1953, mid-day sighting by a weather officer involved a bullet-shaped
object without wings or tail (Ref. 7, Rept. No. 10). Finally, within an hour's
time of the Chiles-Whitted sighting, Air Force ground personnel at Robins AFB,
Georgia, saw a rocket-like object shoot overhead in a westerly direction (Refs.
3, 5, 10,6). In none of these instances does a meteorological or astronomical
'explanation suffice to explain the sightings.
3. Case 3. Sioux City,Iowa,January 20,1951.
Another of the many airline-crew sightings of highly unconventional aerial
devices that I have personally checked was, like Cases 1 and 2, widely reported
in the national press (for a day or two, and then forgotten like the rest). A
check of weather data confirms that the night of 1/20/51 was clear and cold at
Sioux City at the time that a Mid-Continent Airlines DC-3, piloted by Lawrence
W. Vinther, was about to take off for Omaha and Kansas City, at 8:20 p.m. CST.
In the CAA control tower, John M. Williams had been noting an oddly maneuver-
ing light high in a westerly direction. Suddently the light abruptly accelerated,
in a manner clearly precluding either meteoric or aircraft origin, so Williams
alerted Vinther and his co-pilot, James F. Bachmeier. The incident has been
discussed many times (Ref. 4, 5, 10, and 28), but to check details of these reports,
I searched for and finally located all three of the above-named men. Vinther
and Bachmeier are now Braniff pilots, Williams is with the FAA in Sacramento.
From them I confirmed the principal features of previous accounts and learned
additional information too lengthy to recapitulate in full here.
The essential point to be emphasized is that, shortly after Vinther got his
DC-3 airborne, under Williams' instructions to investigate the oddly-behaving
light, the object executed a sudden dive and flew over the D0-3 at an estimated
200 ft. vertical clearance, passing aft and downward. Then a surprising ma-
neuver unfolded. As Vinther described it to me, and as described in contemporary
accounts, the object suddenly reversed course almost 180°, without slowing down
or slewing, and was momentarily flying formation with their DC-3, off its port
wing. (Vinther's dry comment to me was: "This is something we don't see air-
planes do.") Vinther and Bachmeier agreed that the object was very big, per-
haps somewhat larger than a B-29, they suggested to newspapermen who in-
terviewed them the following day. Moonlight gave them a good silhouetted view
of the object, which they described as having the form of a fuselage and un-
swept wing, but not a sign of any empennage, nor any sign of engine-pods,
propellers, or jets. Prior to its dive, it had been seen only as a light; while
pacing their D0-3, the men saw no luminosity, though during the dive they
saw a light on its underside. After about five seconds, the unknown object

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