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Symposium on unidentified flying objects: hearings before the Committee on Science and Astronautics, U.S. House of Representatives, Ninetieth Congress, second session, July 29, 1968.

U.S. House of Representatives · 1968-07-29 · 256 pages · text from the file's own layer

This is the printed record of a July 29, 1968 symposium on unidentified flying objects held by the Committee on Science and Astronautics of the U.S. House of Representatives, chaired by Rep. J. Edward Roush. The committee heard statements from six scientists: J. Allen Hynek, James E. McDonald, Carl Sagan, Robert L. Hall, James A. Harder and Robert M. L. Baker. It also printed papers from Donald Menzel, Stanton Friedman, Frank Salisbury and others. Hynek argued that puzzling UFO reports from competent witnesses deserve serious scientific study.

  • p. 12 …in a peasant society whose eyes were never turned toward the skies. Can we afford not…
  • p. 13 …for a proper and definitive study will never develop. I recall an encounter I had sometime…
  • p. 16 …A very character- istic statement by those making the reports is: "I have never seen anything…
  • p. 18 …They also usually request anonymity which is always granted. (4) UFO's are never seen at…
  • p. 19 …Other misconceptions are that UFO's are never reported by scien- tifically trained people, are never…
  • p. 20 …it has never been considered worthwhile to improve the data -gathering process because the whole subject…
  • p. 27 …he is looking at something he has never seen before. I like Dr. Hynek's phrase…
  • p. 37 …at the Ontario Hydro Commission plant has never been identified, but initially thetentative suspicion was centered…
  • p. 39 …cover- ing innumerable intriguing cases I had never before heard of, and (above all) after the…
  • p. 43 …diminish in sig- nificance, though they can never be overlooked. A frequent objection to serious consideration…
  • p. 45 …out- of-the-way rural areas but never over large cities? Why don't large groups…
  • p. 48 …Smith emphasized that they were never certain of sizes and distances, but that they had the…
  • p. 53 …is deceased), I believe that there has never been any dispute as to the observed facts…
  • p. 59 …Many other sources could be cited to show that the intimation that UFOs are never seen…
  • p. 65 …After the 'official "explanation" was publicized, he decided he'd never report another one. I predict…
  • p. 68 …In the ensuing two decades, he has never again seen anything like it. Clearly, the probability…
  • p. 69 …Moore never got a sufficiently clear view to identify any finer details if any were present…
  • p. 75 …the past twenty years, cases that ought never have been so labelled, had the evaluators kept…
  • p. 76 …Ground radar stations never detected the unknown that was seen visually and contacted by airborne radar…
  • p. 77 …strong, bright pips, said that "anomalous propagation never entered our heads as an explanation." Howard S…
  • p. 78 …7) but could never close with the unknown as its continued on its north- bound course…
  • p. 80 …All three said they had never before seen anything like it. Munger decided to phone his…
  • p. 81 …The photos were shortly taken by Base military authorities and were never seen again by the…
  • p. 87 …referred to repeatedly in Menzel's writings, never with any quantitative discussion of precisely what he…
  • p. 100 …visual observations of classical UFO's have never been made by profes- sional astronomers. For example…
  • p. 101 …how the promised political or social intervention never materializes. Psychological Factors. The psychologist Carl Jung pointed…
  • p. 125 …Oh, heavens, I never suggested that, I hope. Mr. BOONE. Well, let me say, science fiction…
  • p. 159 …He has not ever been exposed to any toxic substances, has never had to take any…
  • p. 168 …He said he had never had the experience of deja-vu episodes or of performing acts…
  • p. 171 …It never occurred to him to call anyone else's attention to the light (probably because…
  • p. 172 …He had never seen anything like it before and in fact had never previously had the…
  • p. 173 …He has taken only two sick days in the entire five years and is never late…
  • p. 174 …He never has fantasied actively taking his own life, however, and feels it would be very…
  • p. 175 …He never was one to participate in extracurricular activities, but always maintained a part-time job…
  • p. 176 …Prior to seeing that light, he apparently never experienced a deja vu, or any illusory or…
  • p. 194 …If the observer being studied is truly sociopathic and has never de- veloped a super -ego…
  • p. 203 197 This data, which most people have never seen or even heard of, is published in…
  • p. 206 …They never have had enough sCientists in the project. They have failed to follow up certain…
  • p. 221 …Isn't it true that UFOs have never been sighted on radar? No, it is not…
  • p. 243 …make such an all- inclusive negative statement. Never- theless, many of the arguments are highly compelling…
  • p. 244 …A balloon reported as a UFO was never out of sight of its launchers. A perplexing…
  • p. 247 …al- though he apologizes because he has never had the time to make a thorough search…
  • p. 249 …two leads appeared, but other witnesses could never be located), but his ap- parent sincerity was…
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Discussion. This case has been the subject of much comment over the years,
and rightly so. Menzel (Ref. 24) first proposed that this was a "mirage", but
gave no basis for such an unreasonable interpretation. The large azimuth-change
of the pilots' line of sight, the lack of any obvious light source to provide a basis
for the rather detailed structure of what was seen, the sharp pull-up, and the
high flight altitude involved all argue quite strongly against such a casual dis-
position of the case, In his second book, Menzel (Ref. 25) shifts to the explana-
tion that they had obviously seen a meteor. A horizontally-moving fireball under
a cloud-deck, at 5000 ft., exhibiting two rows of lights construed by experienced
pilots as ports, and finally executing a most non-ballistic 90-degree sharp pull-up,
is a strange fireball indeed. Menzels 1963 explanation is even more objectionable,
in that he implies, via a page of side-discussion, that the Eastern pilots had
seen a fireball from the Delta Aquarid meteor stream. As I have pointed out
elsewhere (Ref. 2), the radiant of that stream was well over 90° away from
the origin point of the unknown object. Also, bright fireballs are, with only
rare exceptions, not typical of meteor streams. The official explanation was
shifted recently from "Unidentified" to "Meteor", following publication of Men-
zel's 1963 discussion (see Ref. 20, p. 88).
Wingless, cigar-shaped or "rocket-shaped" objects, some emitting glowing
wakes, have been reported by other witnesses. Thus, Air Force Capt. Jack
Puckett, flying near 4000 ft. over Tampa in a 0-47 on August 1, 1946 (Ref. 10,
p. 23), described seeing "a long, cylindrical shape approximately twice the size
of a B-29 with luminous portholes", from the aft end of which there came a
stream of fire as it flew near his aircraft. Puckett states that he, his copilot, Lt.
H. F. Glass, and the flight engineer also saw it as it came in to within an esti-
mated 1000 yards before veering off. Another somewhat similar airborne sight-
ing, made in January 22, 1956 by TWA Flight Engineer Robert Mueller at night
over New Orleans, is on record (Ref. 27). Still another similar sighting is the
AAL case cited below (Sperry case). Again, over Truk Is., in the Pacific, a
Feb. 6, 1953, mid-day sighting by a weather officer involved a bullet-shaped
object without wings or tail (Ref. 7, Rept. No. 10). Finally, within an hour's
time of the Chiles-Whitted sighting, Air Force ground personnel at Robins AFB,
Georgia, saw a rocket-like object shoot overhead in a westerly direction (Refs.
3, 5, 10,6). In none of these instances does a meteorological or astronomical
'explanation suffice to explain the sightings.
3. Case 3. Sioux City,Iowa,January 20,1951.
Another of the many airline-crew sightings of highly unconventional aerial
devices that I have personally checked was, like Cases 1 and 2, widely reported
in the national press (for a day or two, and then forgotten like the rest). A
check of weather data confirms that the night of 1/20/51 was clear and cold at
Sioux City at the time that a Mid-Continent Airlines DC-3, piloted by Lawrence
W. Vinther, was about to take off for Omaha and Kansas City, at 8:20 p.m. CST.
In the CAA control tower, John M. Williams had been noting an oddly maneuver-
ing light high in a westerly direction. Suddently the light abruptly accelerated,
in a manner clearly precluding either meteoric or aircraft origin, so Williams
alerted Vinther and his co-pilot, James F. Bachmeier. The incident has been
discussed many times (Ref. 4, 5, 10, and 28), but to check details of these reports,
I searched for and finally located all three of the above-named men. Vinther
and Bachmeier are now Braniff pilots, Williams is with the FAA in Sacramento.
From them I confirmed the principal features of previous accounts and learned
additional information too lengthy to recapitulate in full here.
The essential point to be emphasized is that, shortly after Vinther got his
DC-3 airborne, under Williams' instructions to investigate the oddly-behaving
light, the object executed a sudden dive and flew over the D0-3 at an estimated
200 ft. vertical clearance, passing aft and downward. Then a surprising ma-
neuver unfolded. As Vinther described it to me, and as described in contemporary
accounts, the object suddenly reversed course almost 180°, without slowing down
or slewing, and was momentarily flying formation with their DC-3, off its port
wing. (Vinther's dry comment to me was: "This is something we don't see air-
planes do.") Vinther and Bachmeier agreed that the object was very big, per-
haps somewhat larger than a B-29, they suggested to newspapermen who in-
terviewed them the following day. Moonlight gave them a good silhouetted view
of the object, which they described as having the form of a fuselage and un-
swept wing, but not a sign of any empennage, nor any sign of engine-pods,
propellers, or jets. Prior to its dive, it had been seen only as a light; while
pacing their D0-3, the men saw no luminosity, though during the dive they
saw a light on its underside. After about five seconds, the unknown object

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