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Symposium on unidentified flying objects: hearings before the Committee on Science and Astronautics, U.S. House of Representatives, Ninetieth Congress, second session, July 29, 1968.

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This is the printed record of a July 29, 1968 symposium on unidentified flying objects held by the Committee on Science and Astronautics of the U.S. House of Representatives, chaired by Rep. J. Edward Roush. The committee heard statements from six scientists: J. Allen Hynek, James E. McDonald, Carl Sagan, Robert L. Hall, James A. Harder and Robert M. L. Baker. It also printed papers from Donald Menzel, Stanton Friedman, Frank Salisbury and others. Hynek argued that puzzling UFO reports from competent witnesses deserve serious scientific study.

  • p. 7 …of advanced technological ma- chinery manned by some kind of intelligence, that is, the extrater- restrial…
  • p. 9 …American Association for the Advancement of Science; Astronomy Society(secretary). Specialty: Astrophysics. Fields of Interest: Stellar…
  • p. 19 …The Air Force has no evidence that UFO's are extra-terrestrial or rep- resent advanced…
  • p. 24 18 (The biography of Dr.McDonald follows:) DR. JAMES E. MCDONAI,D Born: Duluth, Minn., May…
  • p. 29 …from some advanced technology sufficiently advanced to do what we cannot do in the sense of…
  • p. 32 …The possibility that these are extraterrestrial devices, that we are dealing with surveillance from some advanced…
  • p. 40 …THE UNCONVENTIONAL NATURE OF THE UFO PROBLEM To both laymen and scientists, the impressive progress that…
  • p. 48 …At first, they thought it was a jet, whose exhaust was somehow accounting for the advancing…
  • p. 59 …advanced civilization of extraterrestrial origin, the pattern of the observa- tions, the motivation of the surveillance…
  • p. 75 …To ignore most of the salient features of a sighting in order to advance an easy…
  • p. 94 …Now, if we want to assess the likelihood that there are intelligentcivilizations somewhere in advance of…
  • p. 95 …be far in advance of our own,and this,therefore raises the question of how likely…
  • p. 96 …that an advance civilization comes here very rarely. But I again emphasize the great uncertainty in…
  • p. 97 91 So, to conclude what I understand is the main reason why this committee has asked…
  • p. 100 …the possibility of its development by other civilizations. But if each of, say, a million advanced…
  • p. 101 …a race of advanced and benign creatures were devoted to our welfare. The interest in unidentified…
  • p. 111 …The possible value of contact for purposes of advancing our knowledge of our technology. Let's…
  • p. 112 …again the same possible great value from under- standing the phenomenon in order to advance our…
  • p. 116 …We must then concern ourselves with the possible consequences of contact with technologically advanced civilizations whose…
  • p. 117 111 the task. We must also 'be concerned with the risks of panic resulting in people…
  • p. 124 …Gravitation remains one of the enigmas of modern science, although there have been some advances in…
  • p. 125 …This will depend upon advances in many fields of science. Some of the things required will…
  • p. 130 …Gravitation remains one of the enigmas of modern science, although there have been some advances in…
  • p. 132 …Baker's professional society memberships include the American Associa- tion for the Advancement of Science, Phi…
  • p. 140 …There have been many debates on the technical capabilities or limits on the capabilities of advanced…
  • p. 141 135 area of forecasting the social characteristics of an advanced extrater- restrial civilization. Philosophers, social scientists…
  • p. 142 …in the environs of the earth, or to make dubious speculations either concerning "their" advanced scientific…
  • p. 143 …the gross characteristics of an advanced civilization. These studies (probablynot Government funded) should include the social…
  • p. 150 …Applications and Advanced Topics, Academic Press, New York, pp. 112-115 and pp. 376 to 392…
  • p. 153 147 00015 "Recent Advances in Astrodynamics," (with Samuel Herrick), Jet Propul- sion, 28, No. 10, 1958…
  • p. 154 …00040 "State-of-the-Art-1960 Astrodynamics,"Astronautics, 5, No. 11, 30, 1960. 00041 "Novel Orbit…
  • p. 157 …Makemson) 00071 Astrodynamics - Applications and Advanced Topics, Academic Press, New York, 1967. 00072 "Recent Advances in…
  • p. 171 …In the past five years, he has advanced from assistant bookkeeper to teller to head teller…
  • p. 174 …He has no desire to advance any further up the bank totem pole, says he never…
  • p. 189 …advanced radar systems air being de- vekii2ed for our missile defense systems, such as the ALTAR…
  • p. 190 …of the Earth or to make very dubious speculations 191, t101 either concerning "their" advanced scientific…
  • p. 203 …The primary attribute of an advanced intelligent civilization is its ability to create its own environment…
  • p. 204 …Menzel became acting Director of Harvard College Observatory and, in 1954, was advanced to the Directorship…
  • p. 207 …approach it or advances as you move away. As we look over the Air Force files…
  • p. 210 …Or at least that is the com- mon argument advanced by UFO buffs. Radar is cursed…
  • p. 212 …Life Member of American Association for the Advancement of Science. Professional Organizational Activities: State delegate to…
  • p. 217 …our level of advancement? As noted in the Special Report of the USAF Scientific Advisory Board…
  • p. 219 …Friedman has a relatively unique background in advanced technology, hav- ing been actively involved in the…
  • p. 222 …the existence of advanced civilizations. We frequently forget that the resolution of present photographs of the…
  • p. 223 …36, 37) and the American Association for the Advancement of Science is planning a UFO seminar…
  • p. 224 …reason, would not examine the data relevant to UFOs or advanced technology. Marcowitz was totally wrong…
  • p. 225 …reason, would not examine the data relevant to UFOs or advanced technology. Marcowitz was totally wrong…
  • p. 226 …B., "The Phenomenological Aspects of Magnetogasdynamic Re-entry." Presented at the 10th Midwestern Mechanics Conference, Colorado…
  • p. 227 …not alone in the Universe and surely some civilizations are more advanced than ours, but interstellar…
  • p. 233 …possible sites in advance, we could simply move in to recover the desired information after an…
  • p. 234 …The effectiveness of the proposed procedure would depend very heavily upon the amount of thought, care…
  • p. 237 …listed in advance on a 'standardized rating sheet. However this part of the experiment will not…
28
Mr.
BELL.
Have
there
been
pictures
taken?
Dr.
MCDONALD.
Yes;
there
have
been
pictures
taken.
For
instance,
a
photograph
taken
in
Ohio,
by an
Air
Force
photo
reconnaissance
plane
May
24,
1954.
I
recently
have
looked
a
little
more
closely
at
the
data.
This
was
explained as
an
undersun,
but
that
idea
is
subject
to
quantitative observation.
The
angles
just
do
not
fit.
There
is
a
very
important
case
at
Edwards
Air
Force
base
with
two
wit-
nesses,
where
they
got photographs of the
object.
Unfortunately,
in
this
case
I
have
not
seen
the
photo,
but
I
have
talked
with
the
persons
who
took
it.
There
are
photographs,
but
not
nearly as
many
as
we
would
like.
We
would
like
to
have
lots
of
them.
In
a
case
in
Corning,
Calif.
a
police
officer,
one of
five
witnesses,
had a
loaded
camera
in
his
patrol car,
20
paces
from
where he
watched
the
object,
didn't
eventhink
of
getting his
camera.
He
said
he
was
too
flabbergasted to
think
of
it.
That
is
a
part
of
the
problem.
Mr.
Rousx.
Mr.
Hechler.
Mr.
HECHLER.
Have
you examined
any
reports
of
communication
by
these objects?
Dr.
MCDONALD.
Yes;
the
problem of
contact
is
very important.
There
is
one
category
of
contact,
not
in
the
sense
of
shaking hands, but
rather
light response.
I
have
a
file
on
several
of
these,
and
I'm
looking
for
more.
For
instance,
in
Shamokin,
Pa.,
Kerstetter
is
the
name
of
the
witness,
he works
for
a
bank
in
Shamokin.
I
talked to the
president
of
the
bank
as to
his
reliability
and
got
very
good
recommendations.
Last
year,
he
and
his
wife
and
family were
in
a
car
near
a
mountain
ridge
in
Shamokin, saw a
thing hovering over the
mountain,
like
the
flash-
ing
lights
of
a
theater
marque.
He
had a
flashlight.
He
didn't
know
Morse
code,
but
it
really
didn't
matter.
He
sent light
flashes
in various
orders
and
he got
lights
back
from
the
thing.
That same
thing
hap-
pened
in
Newton,
N.H.,
in
August
of
last
year,
where
several
persons
saw
an
object
coming
overhead.
The
same
thought
occurred to
them
and
they
signaled
with
a
flashlight.
It
wasn't
Morse,
it
was
dot dash
dot,
then dash dash dash,
and
it
came
back with
no
failure, replicated
light
signals.
The
same
thin
g
happened
in
West
Virginia,
where a
pharmacist,
named Sommers,did
it
with
his headlights.
When I
was
in Australia,
I
talked
about
some
hunters
out hunting kangaroo.
A
disk
came
over,
one
said
"give
them Mdrse";
the
flash
came
back
faithfully,
and
they
left
in
a
hurry.
Is
that contact?
I
don't
know.
Nobody
got
any
intelligence
out of
it
either
way,
if
you
will
pardon
the
whimsy. It would
be
terrible if
in fact
this
was
surveillance
and
our
technology
was
represented
by
the
Eveready
flashlight.
[Laughter.]
We
may
be flunking
our
exam.
Mr.Rousx. Mr. Downing.
Mr.
DOWNING.
I'm
interested
in
your
testimony.
On
page 10
of
your
written statement,
you
say
it
is
unfortunate
no
acceptable version
of Reference
6
exists,
though
it
has
managed
to get
it
into the
status
of
limited acceptability.
Why
is
this
not
available?
Dr.
MCDONALD.
Well, that
was an Air Force document. This wascompleted in 1949.
These were
classified
until just
a few
years back.
No
one could get access to
them,
because they were under
DOD
classi-
fication.
But
the
12
-year rule expired,
and Dr. Leon Davidson managedto get a copy.

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