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Symposium on unidentified flying objects: hearings before the Committee on Science and Astronautics, U.S. House of Representatives, Ninetieth Congress, second session, July 29, 1968.

U.S. House of Representatives · 1968-07-29 · 256 pages · text from the file's own layer

This is the printed record of a July 29, 1968 symposium on unidentified flying objects held by the Committee on Science and Astronautics of the U.S. House of Representatives, chaired by Rep. J. Edward Roush. The committee heard statements from six scientists: J. Allen Hynek, James E. McDonald, Carl Sagan, Robert L. Hall, James A. Harder and Robert M. L. Baker. It also printed papers from Donald Menzel, Stanton Friedman, Frank Salisbury and others. Hynek argued that puzzling UFO reports from competent witnesses deserve serious scientific study.

  • p. 12 …in a peasant society whose eyes were never turned toward the skies. Can we afford not…
  • p. 13 …for a proper and definitive study will never develop. I recall an encounter I had sometime…
  • p. 16 …A very character- istic statement by those making the reports is: "I have never seen anything…
  • p. 18 …They also usually request anonymity which is always granted. (4) UFO's are never seen at…
  • p. 19 …Other misconceptions are that UFO's are never reported by scien- tifically trained people, are never…
  • p. 20 …it has never been considered worthwhile to improve the data -gathering process because the whole subject…
  • p. 27 …he is looking at something he has never seen before. I like Dr. Hynek's phrase…
  • p. 37 …at the Ontario Hydro Commission plant has never been identified, but initially thetentative suspicion was centered…
  • p. 39 …cover- ing innumerable intriguing cases I had never before heard of, and (above all) after the…
  • p. 43 …diminish in sig- nificance, though they can never be overlooked. A frequent objection to serious consideration…
  • p. 45 …out- of-the-way rural areas but never over large cities? Why don't large groups…
  • p. 48 …Smith emphasized that they were never certain of sizes and distances, but that they had the…
  • p. 53 …is deceased), I believe that there has never been any dispute as to the observed facts…
  • p. 59 …Many other sources could be cited to show that the intimation that UFOs are never seen…
  • p. 65 …After the 'official "explanation" was publicized, he decided he'd never report another one. I predict…
  • p. 68 …In the ensuing two decades, he has never again seen anything like it. Clearly, the probability…
  • p. 69 …Moore never got a sufficiently clear view to identify any finer details if any were present…
  • p. 75 …the past twenty years, cases that ought never have been so labelled, had the evaluators kept…
  • p. 76 …Ground radar stations never detected the unknown that was seen visually and contacted by airborne radar…
  • p. 77 …strong, bright pips, said that "anomalous propagation never entered our heads as an explanation." Howard S…
  • p. 78 …7) but could never close with the unknown as its continued on its north- bound course…
  • p. 80 …All three said they had never before seen anything like it. Munger decided to phone his…
  • p. 81 …The photos were shortly taken by Base military authorities and were never seen again by the…
  • p. 87 …referred to repeatedly in Menzel's writings, never with any quantitative discussion of precisely what he…
  • p. 100 …visual observations of classical UFO's have never been made by profes- sional astronomers. For example…
  • p. 101 …how the promised political or social intervention never materializes. Psychological Factors. The psychologist Carl Jung pointed…
  • p. 125 …Oh, heavens, I never suggested that, I hope. Mr. BOONE. Well, let me say, science fiction…
  • p. 159 …He has not ever been exposed to any toxic substances, has never had to take any…
  • p. 168 …He said he had never had the experience of deja-vu episodes or of performing acts…
  • p. 171 …It never occurred to him to call anyone else's attention to the light (probably because…
  • p. 172 …He had never seen anything like it before and in fact had never previously had the…
  • p. 173 …He has taken only two sick days in the entire five years and is never late…
  • p. 174 …He never has fantasied actively taking his own life, however, and feels it would be very…
  • p. 175 …He never was one to participate in extracurricular activities, but always maintained a part-time job…
  • p. 176 …Prior to seeing that light, he apparently never experienced a deja vu, or any illusory or…
  • p. 194 …If the observer being studied is truly sociopathic and has never de- veloped a super -ego…
  • p. 203 197 This data, which most people have never seen or even heard of, is published in…
  • p. 206 …They never have had enough sCientists in the project. They have failed to follow up certain…
  • p. 221 …Isn't it true that UFOs have never been sighted on radar? No, it is not…
  • p. 243 …make such an all- inclusive negative statement. Never- theless, many of the arguments are highly compelling…
  • p. 244 …A balloon reported as a UFO was never out of sight of its launchers. A perplexing…
  • p. 247 …al- though he apologizes because he has never had the time to make a thorough search…
  • p. 249 …two leads appeared, but other witnesses could never be located), but his ap- parent sincerity was…
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eluded some of the leading citizens in the town. It was reported
nationally at that time but was soon forgotten.
I have interviewed one of the witnesses in a Washington State
sighting, at Longview, Wash., July 3, 1949. An air show was being
held and someone spotted the UFO because there was a sky-writing
aircraft overhead that some people were watching. They spotted the
first of three disc-like objects that came over Longview that morning.
The person whom I interviewed is a former Navy commander, Moul-
ton B. Taylor. He was the manager of the air show, so he got on the
public address system and got everybody to look at this object before
it crossed the skies. It was fluttering as it went across the sky. There
were pilots, engineers, police officers, and Longview residents in the
audience. Many had binoculars. Taylor estimated it to be about 10
minutes of arc in diameter. Because the aircraft was still skywriting
people continued to watch the sky. Two successive objects of the
same type flew over in the next 20 minutes. A total of three objects
came over, and they were from three different directions: one from
the north, one from the northwest, and one almost from the west,
quite clearly ruling out an explanation like balloons, which became
the official explanation. There were no balloon stations anywhere near
Longview, Wash., as a matter of fact, and the balloon explanation is
quite inadequate.
Here we have a case of over a hundred witnesses to the passage of
a wingless object moving at relatively high velocity. When the second
and third objects went over, someone had the presence of mind to
time the fluttering rate—it was 48 per minute.
Here again we have a multiple-witness case, a daytime sighting case,
and one which you can't quickly write off.
If time permitted I would talk about a number of radar cases. One
of the most famous is the Washington National Airport sighting. On
July 19, 1952, CAA radars and Andrews Air Force radars tracked un-
knowns moving at variable speeds from 100 miles an hour to over 800
miles an hour, and a number of airline 'pilots in the air saw these, and
were in some instances vectored in by the CAA radar people, and then
saw luminous objects in the same area that they showed on radar up
near Herndon and Martinsburg.
I talked to five of these CAA people. One can still go back and check
these old cases, I emphasize. I also talked to four of the airline pilots
who were in the air at the time. I have gone over the quantitative as-
pects of the official explanation that this was ducting or trapping of the
radar beams. That is quite untenable. I have gone over the radiosonde,
computed the radar refractive index gradient, and it is nowhere near
the ducting gradient.
Also it s very important that at one time three different radars,
two CA i
A and one Andrews Air Force Base radar, all got compatible
echos. That is extremely significant.
And finally from a radar-propagation point of view, the angles of
propagation, radar and visual, were far above any values that would
permit trapping, which makes this a case which is not an explained
case. It was an instance of unidentified aerial objects over our Capital,
I believe.
One could go on with many cases. I want to just briefly touch two
categories of atmospheric explanations that have been rather widely
discussed, and close with that.

Cases discussed

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