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Symposium on unidentified flying objects: hearings before the Committee on Science and Astronautics, U.S. House of Representatives, Ninetieth Congress, second session, July 29, 1968.

U.S. House of Representatives · 1968-07-29 · 256 pages · text from the file's own layer

This is the printed record of a July 29, 1968 symposium on unidentified flying objects held by the Committee on Science and Astronautics of the U.S. House of Representatives, chaired by Rep. J. Edward Roush. The committee heard statements from six scientists: J. Allen Hynek, James E. McDonald, Carl Sagan, Robert L. Hall, James A. Harder and Robert M. L. Baker. It also printed papers from Donald Menzel, Stanton Friedman, Frank Salisbury and others. Hynek argued that puzzling UFO reports from competent witnesses deserve serious scientific study.

  • p. 7 …of advanced technological ma- chinery manned by some kind of intelligence, that is, the extrater- restrial…
  • p. 9 …American Association for the Advancement of Science; Astronomy Society(secretary). Specialty: Astrophysics. Fields of Interest: Stellar…
  • p. 19 …The Air Force has no evidence that UFO's are extra-terrestrial or rep- resent advanced…
  • p. 24 18 (The biography of Dr.McDonald follows:) DR. JAMES E. MCDONAI,D Born: Duluth, Minn., May…
  • p. 29 …from some advanced technology sufficiently advanced to do what we cannot do in the sense of…
  • p. 32 …The possibility that these are extraterrestrial devices, that we are dealing with surveillance from some advanced…
  • p. 40 …THE UNCONVENTIONAL NATURE OF THE UFO PROBLEM To both laymen and scientists, the impressive progress that…
  • p. 48 …At first, they thought it was a jet, whose exhaust was somehow accounting for the advancing…
  • p. 59 …advanced civilization of extraterrestrial origin, the pattern of the observa- tions, the motivation of the surveillance…
  • p. 75 …To ignore most of the salient features of a sighting in order to advance an easy…
  • p. 94 …Now, if we want to assess the likelihood that there are intelligentcivilizations somewhere in advance of…
  • p. 95 …be far in advance of our own,and this,therefore raises the question of how likely…
  • p. 96 …that an advance civilization comes here very rarely. But I again emphasize the great uncertainty in…
  • p. 97 91 So, to conclude what I understand is the main reason why this committee has asked…
  • p. 100 …the possibility of its development by other civilizations. But if each of, say, a million advanced…
  • p. 101 …a race of advanced and benign creatures were devoted to our welfare. The interest in unidentified…
  • p. 111 …The possible value of contact for purposes of advancing our knowledge of our technology. Let's…
  • p. 112 …again the same possible great value from under- standing the phenomenon in order to advance our…
  • p. 116 …We must then concern ourselves with the possible consequences of contact with technologically advanced civilizations whose…
  • p. 117 111 the task. We must also 'be concerned with the risks of panic resulting in people…
  • p. 124 …Gravitation remains one of the enigmas of modern science, although there have been some advances in…
  • p. 125 …This will depend upon advances in many fields of science. Some of the things required will…
  • p. 130 …Gravitation remains one of the enigmas of modern science, although there have been some advances in…
  • p. 132 …Baker's professional society memberships include the American Associa- tion for the Advancement of Science, Phi…
  • p. 140 …There have been many debates on the technical capabilities or limits on the capabilities of advanced…
  • p. 141 135 area of forecasting the social characteristics of an advanced extrater- restrial civilization. Philosophers, social scientists…
  • p. 142 …in the environs of the earth, or to make dubious speculations either concerning "their" advanced scientific…
  • p. 143 …the gross characteristics of an advanced civilization. These studies (probablynot Government funded) should include the social…
  • p. 150 …Applications and Advanced Topics, Academic Press, New York, pp. 112-115 and pp. 376 to 392…
  • p. 153 147 00015 "Recent Advances in Astrodynamics," (with Samuel Herrick), Jet Propul- sion, 28, No. 10, 1958…
  • p. 154 …00040 "State-of-the-Art-1960 Astrodynamics,"Astronautics, 5, No. 11, 30, 1960. 00041 "Novel Orbit…
  • p. 157 …Makemson) 00071 Astrodynamics - Applications and Advanced Topics, Academic Press, New York, 1967. 00072 "Recent Advances in…
  • p. 171 …In the past five years, he has advanced from assistant bookkeeper to teller to head teller…
  • p. 174 …He has no desire to advance any further up the bank totem pole, says he never…
  • p. 189 …advanced radar systems air being de- vekii2ed for our missile defense systems, such as the ALTAR…
  • p. 190 …of the Earth or to make very dubious speculations 191, t101 either concerning "their" advanced scientific…
  • p. 203 …The primary attribute of an advanced intelligent civilization is its ability to create its own environment…
  • p. 204 …Menzel became acting Director of Harvard College Observatory and, in 1954, was advanced to the Directorship…
  • p. 207 …approach it or advances as you move away. As we look over the Air Force files…
  • p. 210 …Or at least that is the com- mon argument advanced by UFO buffs. Radar is cursed…
  • p. 212 …Life Member of American Association for the Advancement of Science. Professional Organizational Activities: State delegate to…
  • p. 217 …our level of advancement? As noted in the Special Report of the USAF Scientific Advisory Board…
  • p. 219 …Friedman has a relatively unique background in advanced technology, hav- ing been actively involved in the…
  • p. 222 …the existence of advanced civilizations. We frequently forget that the resolution of present photographs of the…
  • p. 223 …36, 37) and the American Association for the Advancement of Science is planning a UFO seminar…
  • p. 224 …reason, would not examine the data relevant to UFOs or advanced technology. Marcowitz was totally wrong…
  • p. 225 …reason, would not examine the data relevant to UFOs or advanced technology. Marcowitz was totally wrong…
  • p. 226 …B., "The Phenomenological Aspects of Magnetogasdynamic Re-entry." Presented at the 10th Midwestern Mechanics Conference, Colorado…
  • p. 227 …not alone in the Universe and surely some civilizations are more advanced than ours, but interstellar…
  • p. 233 …possible sites in advance, we could simply move in to recover the desired information after an…
  • p. 234 …The effectiveness of the proposed procedure would depend very heavily upon the amount of thought, care…
  • p. 237 …listed in advance on a 'standardized rating sheet. However this part of the experiment will not…
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Turning to some of the highlights of my interviewing experience,
I first mention the "ridicule lid." We are not dealing with publicity
seekers. We are not, and I here concur with Dr. Hynek's remarks,
we are not dealing with religiosity and cultism. Those persons aren't
really the least bit interested in observations. They have firm convic-
tions entirely independent of observations. They do not cause noise
that disturbs the real signal at all.
General Samford of the Air Force put it well, 16 years ago.
General Samford, then Director of Intelligence, said, and I would
concur 100 percent, "Credible observers are observing relatively in-
credible objects." That was said 16 years ago, and it is still occurring.
I will touch in a moment or two on a sighting in Mr. Pettis' district
that very well illustrates that, a sighting this year in Redlands, Calif.,
which I think Dr. Harder may be able to tell still more about.
Another characteristic in interviewing the witnesses is the tendency
ifor the UFO witness to turn first not to the hypothesis that he s
looking at a spaceship, but rather it must be an ambulance out there
with a blinking red light or that it is a helicopter up there. There is
a conventional interpretation considered first; only then does the
witness get out of the car or patrol car and realize the thing is stopped
in midair and is going backwards and has six bright lights, or some-
thing like that. Only after an economical first hypothesis does the
witness, in these impressive cases, go further in his hypotheses, and
finally realize he is looking at something he has never seen before.
I like Dr. Hynek's phrase for this, "escalation of hypotheses." This
tendency to take a simple guess first and then upgrade it is so char-
acteristic that I emphasize it as a very important point.
Then, looking at the negative side, all of us who have checked
cases are sometimes in near anguish at the typical inability of the
scientifically untrained person to estimate angles, to even understand
what you are asking for when you ask for an angular estimation.
We are all aware of the gross errors in distances, heights, and speeds
so estimated.
And I would emphasize to those who cite jury trial experience that
the tendency for a group of witnesses to an accident to come in with
quite different accounts, must not be overstressed here. Those wit-
nesses don't come in from, say, a street corner accident and claim they
saw a giraffe killed by a tiger. They talk about an accident. They are
confused about details. There is legally confusing difference of timing
and distance, and so on; but all are in agreement that it was an auto •
accident.
So also when you deal with multiple-witness cases in UFO sight-
ings. There is an impressive core of consistency; everybody is talking
about an object that has no wings, all of 10 people may say it was
dome shaped or something like that, and then there are minor dif-
ferences as to how big they thought it was, how far away, and so on.
Those latter variations do pose a very real problem. It stands as a
negative factor with respect to the anecdotal data, but it does not
mean we are not dealing with real sightings of real objects.
Then there is the very real but not terribly serious problem of the
hoaxers, fabricators, liars, and so on. You do encounter cases from
time to time where you end up thinking, well, this person has some

Cases discussed

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