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Symposium on unidentified flying objects: hearings before the Committee on Science and Astronautics, U.S. House of Representatives, Ninetieth Congress, second session, July 29, 1968.

U.S. House of Representatives · 1968-07-29 · 256 pages · text from the file's own layer

This is the printed record of a July 29, 1968 symposium on unidentified flying objects held by the Committee on Science and Astronautics of the U.S. House of Representatives, chaired by Rep. J. Edward Roush. The committee heard statements from six scientists: J. Allen Hynek, James E. McDonald, Carl Sagan, Robert L. Hall, James A. Harder and Robert M. L. Baker. It also printed papers from Donald Menzel, Stanton Friedman, Frank Salisbury and others. Hynek argued that puzzling UFO reports from competent witnesses deserve serious scientific study.

  • p. 12 …in a peasant society whose eyes were never turned toward the skies. Can we afford not…
  • p. 13 …for a proper and definitive study will never develop. I recall an encounter I had sometime…
  • p. 16 …A very character- istic statement by those making the reports is: "I have never seen anything…
  • p. 18 …They also usually request anonymity which is always granted. (4) UFO's are never seen at…
  • p. 19 …Other misconceptions are that UFO's are never reported by scien- tifically trained people, are never…
  • p. 20 …it has never been considered worthwhile to improve the data -gathering process because the whole subject…
  • p. 27 …he is looking at something he has never seen before. I like Dr. Hynek's phrase…
  • p. 37 …at the Ontario Hydro Commission plant has never been identified, but initially thetentative suspicion was centered…
  • p. 39 …cover- ing innumerable intriguing cases I had never before heard of, and (above all) after the…
  • p. 43 …diminish in sig- nificance, though they can never be overlooked. A frequent objection to serious consideration…
  • p. 45 …out- of-the-way rural areas but never over large cities? Why don't large groups…
  • p. 48 …Smith emphasized that they were never certain of sizes and distances, but that they had the…
  • p. 53 …is deceased), I believe that there has never been any dispute as to the observed facts…
  • p. 59 …Many other sources could be cited to show that the intimation that UFOs are never seen…
  • p. 65 …After the 'official "explanation" was publicized, he decided he'd never report another one. I predict…
  • p. 68 …In the ensuing two decades, he has never again seen anything like it. Clearly, the probability…
  • p. 69 …Moore never got a sufficiently clear view to identify any finer details if any were present…
  • p. 75 …the past twenty years, cases that ought never have been so labelled, had the evaluators kept…
  • p. 76 …Ground radar stations never detected the unknown that was seen visually and contacted by airborne radar…
  • p. 77 …strong, bright pips, said that "anomalous propagation never entered our heads as an explanation." Howard S…
  • p. 78 …7) but could never close with the unknown as its continued on its north- bound course…
  • p. 80 …All three said they had never before seen anything like it. Munger decided to phone his…
  • p. 81 …The photos were shortly taken by Base military authorities and were never seen again by the…
  • p. 87 …referred to repeatedly in Menzel's writings, never with any quantitative discussion of precisely what he…
  • p. 100 …visual observations of classical UFO's have never been made by profes- sional astronomers. For example…
  • p. 101 …how the promised political or social intervention never materializes. Psychological Factors. The psychologist Carl Jung pointed…
  • p. 125 …Oh, heavens, I never suggested that, I hope. Mr. BOONE. Well, let me say, science fiction…
  • p. 159 …He has not ever been exposed to any toxic substances, has never had to take any…
  • p. 168 …He said he had never had the experience of deja-vu episodes or of performing acts…
  • p. 171 …It never occurred to him to call anyone else's attention to the light (probably because…
  • p. 172 …He had never seen anything like it before and in fact had never previously had the…
  • p. 173 …He has taken only two sick days in the entire five years and is never late…
  • p. 174 …He never has fantasied actively taking his own life, however, and feels it would be very…
  • p. 175 …He never was one to participate in extracurricular activities, but always maintained a part-time job…
  • p. 176 …Prior to seeing that light, he apparently never experienced a deja vu, or any illusory or…
  • p. 194 …If the observer being studied is truly sociopathic and has never de- veloped a super -ego…
  • p. 203 197 This data, which most people have never seen or even heard of, is published in…
  • p. 206 …They never have had enough sCientists in the project. They have failed to follow up certain…
  • p. 221 …Isn't it true that UFOs have never been sighted on radar? No, it is not…
  • p. 243 …make such an all- inclusive negative statement. Never- theless, many of the arguments are highly compelling…
  • p. 244 …A balloon reported as a UFO was never out of sight of its launchers. A perplexing…
  • p. 247 …al- though he apologizes because he has never had the time to make a thorough search…
  • p. 249 …two leads appeared, but other witnesses could never be located), but his ap- parent sincerity was…
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Mr. Rousii. Dr. Baker,I'm sorry to interrupt, but I'm going to have
a brief recess here.
Dr.BAKER. Certainly.
Mr. Roust'. There is a motion to recommit the military construction
bill, and I would like to vote on it. None of my colleagues are here
right now, so we will declare a very brief recess, and I shall return as
quickly as I can.
(Whereupon a short recess was taken for a floor vote.)
Mr. RousH. The committee will be in order.
Dr. Baker, you may proceed.
Dr. BAKER. Thank you.
Personally, I feel that it is premature for me to agree that the hard
and soft data forces the scientific community to give overriding at-
tention to the hypothesis that the anomalistic observations arise from
manifestations of extraterrestrial beings. On the other hand,I strong-
ly advocate the establishment of a research program in the area of
anomalistic phenomena—an interdisciplinary research effort that pro-
gresses according to the highest scientific standards; that is well
funded; and that is planned to be reliably long term. The potential
benefit of such a research project to science should not hinge solely on
the detection of intelligent extraterrestrial life • it should be justified
by the possibility of gaining new insights into poorly understood
phenomena, such as ball lightning, cometoid impact, and spiraling
meteorite decay.
There is practical value in such research for the Military Establish-
ment, as well. Let us suppose that something similar to the 'Tunguska
event" of 1908 occurred today, and that it was Long Island in the
United States, rather than the Podkamenaia 'Tunguska River Basin
in Siberia that was devastated by a probable comet impact. Would
we misinterpret this catastrophic event as the signal for world war
III? What if another "fireball procession," such as occurred over
Canada on February 9, 1913, repeated itself today, and the low-flying
meteors were on nearly polar orbits that would overfly the continental
United States. Would we interpret the resulting surveillance data as
indicating that a fractional orbital bombardment system (FOBS) had
been initiated in Russia? My knowledge of our Air Force sensors, both
current and projected (see Baker and Ford (1968)), indicates that
they are sufficiently sophisticated so. that they would probably not
react prematurely and signal a false alarm—although a careful study
of this point should be made. On the other hand,there may exist other
anomalistic sources of data that might give rise to a false alarm and
perhaps provoke us either to deploy our countermeasures, or even to
counterattack.
Before I enumerate the specific benefits this research might confer
upon various scientific disciplines, allow me to digress briefly on the
subject of soft data. The primary reason that I have avoided the in-
troduction of soft data into my photographic studies and have not
involved myself in the analysis of eyewitness reports (such as the
excellent ones given by Fuller (1966)), is that I have been unable to
develop a rational basis for determining the credibility level for any
given human observer. Although they lie outside the field of my own
scientific competence, I feel that credibility evaluations of witnesses

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