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Restoring Public Trust Through Uap Transparency and Whistleblower Protection

U.S. House of Representatives · 2025-09-09 · 54 pages · text from the file's own layer

This is the printed transcript of a September 9, 2025 hearing held by the U.S. House Oversight Committee's Task Force on the Declassification of Federal Secrets, chaired by Rep. Anna Paulina Luna. The witnesses were Jeffrey Nuccetelli, Alexandro Wiggins, George Knapp, Dylan Borland and Joe Spielberger. They described UAP incursions at Vandenberg Air Force Base from 2003 to 2005 and a tic-tac-shaped object seen from USS Jackson in 2023. Members criticized AARO and called for whistleblower protections and the UAP Disclosure Act.

  • p. 1 …PUBLIC TRUST THROUGH UAP TRANSPARENCY AND WHISTLEBLOWER PROTECTION HEARING BEFORE THE TASK FORCE ON THE DECLASSIFICATION…
  • p. 5 …HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES COMMITTEE ON OVERSIGHT AND GOVERNMENT REFORM TASK FORCE ON THE DECLASSIFICATION OF FEDERAL…
  • p. 7 …and I hope my colleagues on this Task Force will be able to do the same…
  • p. 8 …former director of the government’s UAP Task Force, the former head of aviation security for…
  • p. 10 …Thank you, Chairwoman Luna, Ranking Member Crockett, and Members of the Task Force, for giving us…
  • p. 12 …Good morning, Chairwoman Luna, Ranking Member Crockett, and Members of the Task Force and the Com…
  • p. 13 …I want to underscore three points for the Task Force and the Committee. Aviation and maritime…
  • p. 15 …Task Force show that the USSR launched what is almost certainly the largest UFO/UAP investigation…
  • p. 16 …UAP WITNESS U.S. AIR FORCE VETERAN Mr. BORLAND. Good morning, Members of the Task Force…
  • p. 18 …Chairwoman Luna, Ranking Member Crockett, and Task Force members, thank you for the opportunity to testify…
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tional security. And if they represent something unknown, they de-
mand rigorous scientific inquiry—not ridicule, not secrecy, and not
silence.
The stakes are very high. Adversarial nations are not waiting for
us to catch up. They are studying these phenomena aggressively,
as multiple nations have also announced their own parliamentary
investigations into this very topic. If we are to continue to hide in-
formation from ourselves, we risk strategic surprise. If we continue
to ignore our pilots and servicemembers, as well as countless gov-
ernment whistleblowers, we risk losing their trust. And if we con-
tinue to shield the truth from the public, we risk eroding the very
foundation of democratic accountability.
This is why this hearing matters. This is not about fueling specu-
lation. This is about demanding the basic transparency from the
Department of Defense and the intelligence community and other
military contractors. It is about asking the questions every Amer-
ican has the right to ask. What do we know? What do we not
know? And why in a free society are we being told so little?
A major barrier to this Committee’s inquiry into UAPs has been
the lack of cooperation and transparency from the Department of
Defense and the intelligence community. In preparation for pre-
vious UAP hearings, the Committee repeatedly asked the Depart-
ment of Defense to allow members to view videos and files related
to UAP incidences.
Unfortunately, the Department of Defense notified the Com-
mittee staff that, due to the Department’s special access program
rules, only members of the House Armed Services Committee, as
well as the Defense Subcommittee on House Appropriations, also
known as HAC-D, were allowed to be read in onto such programs.
For a non-committee member to be allowed to view these docu-
ments and videos, individual members must be approved by the
Chairman and Ranking Member of both HASC and HAC-D.
Independent staff oversight has presented a consistent problem
for Congress, as well as program budgets are classified. Addition-
ally, oversight reporting to Congress is classified and only provided
to the authorizing and Appropriations Committees of jurisdiction.
The American people are not fragile. They do not need to be
shielded like children from reality. What they cannot tolerate and
what they will not forgive is a government that withholds the truth
and punishes those who dare to speak up.
I want to close with this. Future generations will look back at
this moment and ask what we did when presented with the un-
known. Did we look away, embarrassed or afraid, or did we pursue
the truth with courage? I intend to be on the side of truth, trans-
parency, and accountability, and I hope my colleagues on this Task
Force will be able to do the same.
To quote a few elected officials, Senator Schumer has stated mul-
tiple credible sources allege a constitutional crisis over Unidentified
flying objects (UFO)s. Senator Rounds has stated that these are
brilliant individuals, and they are not making this stuff up. And
our current Secretary of State, Marco Rubio, has stated very high
clearances and high positions within our government in regards to
these whistleblowers. Senator McConnell also described these whis-
tleblowers as sane and credible.

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