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This is the printed transcript of a September 9, 2025 hearing held by the U.S. House Oversight Committee's Task Force on the Declassification of Federal Secrets, chaired by Rep. Anna Paulina Luna. The witnesses were Jeffrey Nuccetelli, Alexandro Wiggins, George Knapp, Dylan Borland and Joe Spielberger. They described UAP incursions at Vandenberg Air Force Base from 2003 to 2005 and a tic-tac-shaped object seen from USS Jackson in 2023. Members criticized AARO and called for whistleblower protections and the UAP Disclosure Act.
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49 Mr. NUCCETELLI. But had this thing showed up, we would not have been able to do anything to prevent it showing up. Mrs. LUNA. Real quickly, can you just redescribe size and wheth- er or not you heard anything? It was how big? Mr. NUCCETELLI. The two square objects were at least as large as a football field. The second encounter, they think it was much larger than a football field. We are talking like flying buildings. The object I saw was about 30 feet in diameter, which is—— Mrs. LUNA. And to confirm, you were not the only person that saw this? Mr. NUCCETELLI. Correct. Mrs. LUNA. I think I was also told that there was also reports of this in a police blotter in the area. Can you confirm that? Mr. NUCCETELLI. Yes. That is the documentation that I main- tained from the original event and turned into AARO and the FBI. Mrs. LUNA. Okay. Do you have any more, Burlison? Mr. BURLISON. No. Madam Chair, I just want to reiterate to the American people that if you are frustrated, so are we. We are ex- tremely frustrated. We have been—you know, the two, three years, I can only imagine how frustrated Mr. Knapp is or Danny Sheehan is and the amount of time that you guys have poured into this to try to get answers. I mean, Maussan is back there. He has been pouring to try to get answers into this. I hope that you all see that we are committed to this, and we are going to be scrappy about it. We may not have the direct au- thority, but I can assure you, Representative Luna is about as scrappy as it gets. I would not want to scrap with her. But that being said, I think that if the American people want to see answers, we need action. We have had the hearings. It is time to take action. It is time that we pass Tim Burchett’s Whistle- blower Act. It is time that we pass the UAP Disclosure Act. And I think that we have had a lot of talk about this. It is time for ac- tion. Mrs. LUNA. Thank you, Burlison. I would now like to yield 30 seconds to Representative Crockett. Ms. CROCKETT. I will reserve. Mrs. LUNA. Thank you. In closing, I want to thank our witnesses once again for their tes- timony today. I now yield to Ranking Member Crockett for closing remarks. Ms. CROCKETT. I will pass. No, I just want to say thank you so much to each and every one of you for being here today, for staying committed to this, and for your courage. I truly believe that cour- age is contagious. And right now, we need more courage than ever, whether it is UAPs or whether we are dealing with any other form of government where people are afraid to come out and speak their truth. The American people are relying on amazing public servants like you to speak up on their behalf, to be the watchdog, and to make sure that we are as safe as possible. And so, thank you so much again for conducting a bipartisan hearing on such an impor- tant matter. Mrs. LUNA. Thank you. I would now like to recognize myself for some closing remarks.
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