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This is the printed transcript of a September 9, 2025 hearing held by the U.S. House Oversight Committee's Task Force on the Declassification of Federal Secrets, chaired by Rep. Anna Paulina Luna. The witnesses were Jeffrey Nuccetelli, Alexandro Wiggins, George Knapp, Dylan Borland and Joe Spielberger. They described UAP incursions at Vandenberg Air Force Base from 2003 to 2005 and a tic-tac-shaped object seen from USS Jackson in 2023. Members criticized AARO and called for whistleblower protections and the UAP Disclosure Act.
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48 know, they point to them and they put the dogs on them, and it disgusts me. Mr. KNAPP. There is a price to be paid for that too. The Russians and Chinese are trying to figure this out as well, but they are— they do not have the same kind of stigma. They tell their best sci- entists and engineers, get in there and work on it. And they have been doing it for a very long time, might have a head start on us. Here, we do not have our best scientists and engineers working on it because they’ve been told it is nonsense. The stigma is very real for people like that. Mr. BURCHETT. I agree. Yield back, Chairlady. Mrs. LUNA. Thank you. I would now like to recognize Represent- ative Burlison. Mr. BURLISON. Mr. Nuccetelli, when you heard the testimony of Mr. Knapp talking about that these missiles were shut down or turned on in Russia, does that remind you—when you hear these stories, it has got to remind you of the event that happened on your base? Mr. NUCCETELLI. Absolutely. There are many, many accounts of incursions of this type taking place. I believe in the 1960s we had a similar incursion in New England, and same thing happened. There were these objects coming over the base at low altitude, 200 feet over the base security police, and they were scrambling fight- ers, and then the objects would just fly off. And that went on for weeks. So, the historical record has laid out that there’s a pattern, that our installations are visited by these craft. You know, they come in and do whatever they are doing, and then they leave. And we do not know how to respond. We do not know how to protect the installation. So that is why we are here. Mr. BURLISON. When you first heard and were having to report on these incidents that were being witnessed by other individuals, did you believe them? Did you yourself believe it would be true until you saw it? Mr. NUCCETELLI. Yes, these are people I have worked with for years, deployed with. You know, I was in some of their weddings. These are people that I have worked with every day of my life. Usually, when the events were occurring, we were all together. You know, there would be 40, 60, 100 people on duty during these en- counters. Mr. BURLISON. Really? Mr. NUCCETELLI. Yes. Mr. BURLISON. All seeing it at the same time? Mr. NUCCETELLI. Yes. These were—these encounters were play- ing out while we were on duty, and we were responding and inves- tigating in real time as they occurred. Mr. BURLISON. And as you said, the importance of your operation was highly important because they said it is the most important in 25 years, the research that you were conducting. Mr. NUCCETELLI. For that particular launch, we had 500 Air Force police officers guarding the launch, 500 people. It was that critical. Mr. BURLISON. Wow.
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