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This is the printed transcript of a September 9, 2025 hearing held by the U.S. House Oversight Committee's Task Force on the Declassification of Federal Secrets, chaired by Rep. Anna Paulina Luna. The witnesses were Jeffrey Nuccetelli, Alexandro Wiggins, George Knapp, Dylan Borland and Joe Spielberger. They described UAP incursions at Vandenberg Air Force Base from 2003 to 2005 and a tic-tac-shaped object seen from USS Jackson in 2023. Members criticized AARO and called for whistleblower protections and the UAP Disclosure Act.
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47 I would like to go back now on our lightning round of questioning to Representative Burchett and then Burlison. Burchett, always number one. Mr. BURCHETT. As well I should be. Number one in your heart, number 435 on the chart, that is me. Dylan, knowing you testified to AARO, are they obfuscating when they claim to have discovered no evidence of extraterrestrial beings, activity, or technology? And are they lying to the American public? Mr. BORLAND. As I said before, it is a manipulation of the public perception. The statement ‘‘scientific evidence of extraterrestrials’’ is a true statement. It is not the truth about what is happening and what we have. Mr. BURCHETT. Would any of you all like to comment on that fur- ther? Mr. Knapp, you are getting edgy. Mr. KNAPP. Well, it is splitting hairs. No proof that there are extraterrestrials, what would that proof look like, a piece of kryptonite? What would it be? I mean, we could be talking about different forms of nonhuman intelligence. I think the dominant paradigm is that they come from outer space, somewhere else, and they have some way that they can cross those vast distances that we cannot even imagine doing but not necessarily—that is not nec- essarily the answer. So, asking for proof of extraterrestrials might not be the answer at all. It is splitting hairs. You know, we do not know where they are from. I do not know anyone who knows the answer for sure. They call them aliens just as a place-keeper kind of a word. But no one in all these programs who have studied this stuff for years, people with much bigger brains than mine, knows the answer for sure. Mr. BURCHETT. I mean, I have talked to Navy folks that some of the deep sea areas, they think there might be something there that they are here, and I do not know when they got here. Another point that needs to be made is every time—you know, we say we are going to back engineer or whatever you want to call it these craft. I always say it would be like if you took a—I ride motorcycles, but if you took like an Indian or a Harley to the peo- ple that came over here on the Mayflower, you know, they would see a bright, shiny object. They might polish it. You know, they might get it started. I doubt they could. They could not work on it. They could not put fuel—they would not have the capability of putting fuel in it. I just think that, you know, we are scratching at something that we do not have any knowledge of, and that is why it has just taken so dadgum long. But they do know the first one that cracks that code, it is over. I mean, it is energy, it is power, it is everything. And I worry, too, that in the wrong hands that they do that, they keep it from the rest of us because they are so invested in whatever energy sources we have here that their billionaire buddies are going to profit, and they cannot retool because they know once it is out on the internet, it is over. And so, I think there are a lot of things going after, and I think that is why the move to discredit folks is so rapid too. I think, you
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