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have to, at some point, understand that there is something else out
there.
Mr. OGLES. Well, I mean, and you bring an interesting point. You
know, in the law enforcement community, any time you are con-
ducting an investigation, you are always looking at the totality of
the circumstances. You are looking at all the evidence and how
they piece together. And so that would be my, you know, advice to
the American people, that this is a journey that is just beginning
from a Congressional perspective, but you have decades of data,
some of it not real, much of it is, but thanks to Chairwoman Luna,
we are now presenting this to the American people.
And I think this latest video from Mr. Burlison is something that
should give everyone pause when you see the three orbs that drop.
Was that in a defensive posture, or was that in an offensive pos-
ture? And what capabilities did those orbs have that we, quite
frankly, may not have? Mr. Knapp?
Mr. KNAPP. As I mentioned at the beginning of my remarks,
what hooked me on the story was the paper trail, these documents
that should not exist. We have been told for decades, over and over,
there is nothing to it. It is not a threat. You can go about your
business. And then when FOIA becomes the law of the land, thou-
sands of pages to the contrary leak out. There is a memo by Gen-
eral Nathan Twining in 1947 when the country was being
overflown by dozens of UFOs, hundreds of UFOs, in which he said,
look, this is not visionary or fictitious, it is real. These things are
craft. They are not ours. They outperform anything we have got.
I mean, if you follow the paper trail of documents that they
wrote before the military got wise and realized that FOIA really ex-
ists and changed their tune and not put things in writing, it spells
it out pretty clearly.
I will go—refer back to Russia. One incident I did not mention,
Representative Burlison, is there—Colonel Sokolov in that Ministry
of Defense program said there were 40 incidents where Russian
warplanes were sent to intercept UFOs, and they were ordered to
fire on them. And for the most part, the UFOs would zip away.
Three of the pilots, though, did fire at these things. Those three
planes stalled out, crashed. Two of those pilots died. And after that,
the Russians changed the standing order. If you see a UFO, leave
them alone.
No country in the world wants to say and admit that these ob-
jects are flying around in our airspace, and there is nothing we can
do about it. I mean, who wants to say that? The United States cer-
tainly does not, and the Russians did not either.
Mr. OGLES. And I have got to be almost out of time. But Mr.
Borland, you, sir, real quickly.
Mr. BORLAND. Yes, to be honest with you, I think Bob Lazar, and
not for the reasons that most would talk about, mainly because Bob
Lazar was immediately discredited. They said he never worked
where he worked. They said he never did what he did. But yet Bob
Lazar showed up with a bunch of friends in a video camera and
was filming these test flights in the middle of the desert, so clearly,
he knew something.
Mr. OGLES. Madam Chair, if I am out of time, I yield back.
Mrs. LUNA. Thank you very much, Representative Ogles.