Restoring Public Trust Through Uap Transparency and Whistleblower Protection

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clear missiles were activated, and we were close to a World War
III at that time, which is startling to hear. It is also good to know
that, as we have investigated the JFK files as well, that we are
learning that there was a document that was sent between Rus-
sia—there was an agreement between Russia and the United
States that if they were to see some unidentified objects over sen-
sitive sites, that they would report it to each other. Are you famil-
iar with that document?
Mr. KNAPP. Yes. I am also familiar with the rhetoric—public
rhetoric, between President Reagan and Gorbachev at the time too,
that they traded statements about would it not be something if we
were threatened by something from way outside how we might
work together. I know for sure that they had conversations about
it, and I know we did reach an agreement to try to lessen the possi-
bility that us detecting a UFO or group of UFOs would not be mis-
taken for a bunch of Russian missiles. There were exchanges of
that sort that went back and forth.
Mr. BURLISON. Yes, and I can imagine this is—to me, the validity
of this document is underscored by the fact that Russia would not
want this to be known. They absolutely would not want the public
to know or the United States to know that there was a vulner-
ability in their missile systems. Would you agree?
Mr. KNAPP. Absolutely. And, you know—and we had many simi-
lar incidents at our nuclear weapons facilities here that have all
been sort of swept under the rug, but it is pretty scary when you
take down ten missile silos during tense times and you do not have
a better explanation for it than it was a special test of security
mechanisms or using EMPs, which is a preposterous explanation.
Mrs. LUNA. Real quick, we are going to cut to Mr. Ogles. He just
got back. We are in a special kind of lightning round, so 5 minutes,
and then we will go back to our line of questioning.
Mr. OGLES. Thank you, Madam Chair.
You know, at this point, I think it is clear from the hearing that
there is advanced technologies that are taking place in our air-
space. You know, the question is—and I posed it in one of the pre-
vious hearings—is it ours, is it theirs, or is it otherworldly? There
may not be a silver bullet at the moment, but when you look back
through the hearing and the evidence that has been presented, if
you are going to point the American people to one piece of evidence
to start their journey on this topic, what would you suggest, sir?
Mr. NUCCETELLI. One piece of evidence, I would start with this
hearing, in the first hearing. There is no evidence——
Mr. OGLES. But is there a specific—exactly, but is there specific
evidence or footage or document that you think lends extreme
credibility to what we are discussing today?
Mr. NUCCETELLI. I would say this new video we are seeing today
is exceptional evidence that we are dealing with something——
Mr. OGLES. With the kinetic?
Mr. NUCCETELLI. Yes, sir.
Mr. OGLES. Mr. Wiggins?
Chief WIGGINS. Sir, I would have to say that if just the average
person here in America looked at absolutely everything that has
come across television, the internet, et cetera, you cannot tell your-
self that 100 percent of what is being recorded is fake or false. You