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This is the printed transcript of a September 9, 2025 hearing held by the U.S. House Oversight Committee's Task Force on the Declassification of Federal Secrets, chaired by Rep. Anna Paulina Luna. The witnesses were Jeffrey Nuccetelli, Alexandro Wiggins, George Knapp, Dylan Borland and Joe Spielberger. They described UAP incursions at Vandenberg Air Force Base from 2003 to 2005 and a tic-tac-shaped object seen from USS Jackson in 2023. Members criticized AARO and called for whistleblower protections and the UAP Disclosure Act.
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44 Chief WIGGINS. So, the encounter itself from the time I recog- nized on my radar to the time after the video ends was probably about 5 to 7 minutes. Mr. CRANE. What speed was the object moving at? Chief WIGGINS. When I first witnessed off the port bridge wing the object moving out of the water, what I thought was originally just a light on the water or something on the horizon and surfacing and going into the air, I then knew it was an air contact. But as an air controller myself, I started thinking and going through kind of like my checklist in my mind. Could it be a helo, but it is not blinking lights. So, I then realized this is something I have never seen before. So, the speed itself just going from the horizon to about maybe 3–4,000 feet in the air was very slow, slowly rising, and then it sped up. I am not an expert at, you know, knowing specific speeds of aircraft just by visual eye, but I would say probably 1, 2 Mach instantly into the rest of the formation. I did not notice visually with my own eyes the other three objects until I went back to my radar and also utilized SAFIRE to see that, in fact, there were four total. And then again, when they all left after a certain amount of time, it was nearly instantaneous. Mr. CRANE. So, you spotted it visually first, Chief, and then went back to your radar? Did you guys spot it on radar first? Chief WIGGINS. Radar first because that was my watch station was—— Mr. CRANE. And then you went out to the port bridge wing, is that correct? Chief WIGGINS. Correct, to verify what I saw on my radar. Mr. CRANE. What range was it at, Chief, when you were not able to see it visibly? Chief WIGGINS. I would say about seven nautical miles, seven to eight nautical miles of a light from the ship. Mr. CRANE. Wow. Thank you. I yield back. Mrs. LUNA. I now recognize Mr. Burlison. Mr. BURLISON. Thank you, Madam Chair. Chief Wiggins, you said that it emerged from the ocean. Is that right? Chief WIGGINS. Yes, sir. Mr. BURLISON. And before it did, it was a glowing object under the water? Chief WIGGINS. That part I could not tell because it was night- time, at 1915 approximately, and it was also at a distance. So, it is very hard to tell the difference between something on the horizon and something surfacing from the water. My personal thoughts after seeing what I saw is that it did, in fact, come from the water, but I do not have visual evidence showing exactly, you know, that it did, in fact, come from the water. But I had—again, I had to go through my process of elimination and try to figure out was this a ship on the horizon just showing its lights at night, but to see its surface, then it made me question, okay, where did this come from? If it is flying and it is not a drone or anything like that, where was its origin? Where did it start? Mr. BURLISON. Mr. Knapp, in your testimony and in this docu- ment, you detail an event that happened in Russia where their nu-
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