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This is the printed transcript of a September 9, 2025 hearing held by the U.S. House Oversight Committee's Task Force on the Declassification of Federal Secrets, chaired by Rep. Anna Paulina Luna. The witnesses were Jeffrey Nuccetelli, Alexandro Wiggins, George Knapp, Dylan Borland and Joe Spielberger. They described UAP incursions at Vandenberg Air Force Base from 2003 to 2005 and a tic-tac-shaped object seen from USS Jackson in 2023. Members criticized AARO and called for whistleblower protections and the UAP Disclosure Act.
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43 Chief WIGGINS. Yes. Mrs. LUNA. Knapp? Mr. KNAPP. I had a different reaction. I was really happy that it got out. Thanks for providing that—— Mrs. LUNA. Curiosity kills the cat. Mr. KNAPP [continuing]. Congressman. Mrs. LUNA. All right. Mr. Borland? Mr. BORLAND. Yes, for—— Mrs. LUNA. Okay. All right. That is the end of my questioning. I would like to now recognize Mr. Crane. Mr. CRANE. Thank you. Chief, I was on a ship for a little bit. I was a gunner’s mate on the USS Gettysburg for a couple years. My question to you is when you had your encounter and you saw it on the screen, you were in the Combat Information Center (CIC). Is that correct? Chief WIGGINS. That is correct, on a Littoral Combat Ship (LCS), the CIC is on the bridge, so it is called ICC–1, but yes, same—— Mr. CRANE. Did a bunch of the other folks in the CIC come and check out what you were looking at? Chief WIGGINS. Yes, we all did. The tactical action officer, myself, the RCO, and two others that was—that were on watch, we were all in the same space, so we were all looking at the SAFIRE screen all at the same time. Mr. CRANE. Because in the other couple instances with the wit- nesses, you guys just saw it by yourself, is that correct? Mr. Borland, you saw it by yourself? Mr. BORLAND. For me, yes, sir. Mr. CRANE. Mr. Nuccetelli, you saw this by yourself? Mr. NUCCETELLI. No, there were multiple witnesses in every case at Vandenberg. Mr. CRANE. Okay. So, Chief, did that spread like wildfire throughout the ship in the next day or two, what you guys had seen? Chief WIGGINS. No, sir. It did not spread throughout the ship, but it spread throughout ICC–1 conversation. As you do your turn- over, we talk about it, but it did not go further than just the watchstanders that stood watch on the bridge and in ICC–1, so it did move around there throughout a few days. Mr. CRANE. I am kind of surprised. Stuff usually spreads around the ship pretty fast. Why do you think the rest of your fellow sail- ors on the boat did not hear about it? Chief WIGGINS. Potentially uninterest, possibly, you know, with engineers or combat systems like yourself do not make their way up to the bridge enough to get within sight of the circle of talk about the incident. Mr. CRANE. Was it hard for you to get permission from the Navy to bring that video? Chief WIGGINS. I myself did not bring the video. I just saw the video. When I saw the video, I got in touch with Admiral Gal- laudet. That is how I wind up knowing about the video itself when I first talked to the admiral. And you can hear my voice at the back end of the video, and that is—I was like, hey, that is my voice, and I wanted to talk about it. Mr. CRANE. How long did that encounter take place, Chief?
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