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This is the printed transcript of a September 9, 2025 hearing held by the U.S. House Oversight Committee's Task Force on the Declassification of Federal Secrets, chaired by Rep. Anna Paulina Luna. The witnesses were Jeffrey Nuccetelli, Alexandro Wiggins, George Knapp, Dylan Borland and Joe Spielberger. They described UAP incursions at Vandenberg Air Force Base from 2003 to 2005 and a tic-tac-shaped object seen from USS Jackson in 2023. Members criticized AARO and called for whistleblower protections and the UAP Disclosure Act.
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42 they do not want us to have it, but there are ways to work around it, so we are kind of figuring that out. Pursuant to Committee rule IX(c), the majority and minority will have an additional 30 minutes each to ask questions of the wit- nesses. Without objection, so ordered. With that being said, if you guys want to jump in the queue, I know Representative Crane, Burlison, and likely Burchett have a few more questions. I will just start out with two, and then I will pass the buck to Burlison. Burchett, do you have anything? Mr. BURCHETT. Yes, I—— Mrs. LUNA. Burchett and then Crane. Just real quick, Mr. Knapp—and short answers, please, because of time—how much of these alleged Russian crash retrieval docu- ments have already been physically out there? So, I mean, percentagewise of the documents that you submitted to Congress, what was public already and what was not newly released? Mr. KNAPP. Maybe one percent. Mrs. LUNA. Okay. So, the rest of it should be predominantly new information? Mr. KNAPP. Yes. Mrs. LUNA. Also, can you just elaborate real quick? I know you had, I think, mentioned a Thread III program, but also alleged in those documents, I got through maybe half of them last night. There is a lot, and I do not speak Russian, contrary to what people might allege. What does the Thread III—was there any specific programs that existed within the Soviet Government or groups to specifically investigate this by name real quick? Mr. KNAPP. It is a number. There is a number in those docu- ments I gave you. There was a larger program that actually had three subprograms that was—Thread III was the name I got, and then the DIA guys who looked at it figured out there was a much larger organization. It is—— Mrs. LUNA. And it is listed in those documents? Mr. KNAPP. Yes. Mrs. LUNA. Okay. Thank you. Real quick, I would like to ask the Committee to replay that video that Burlison had played earlier. I want to ask every witness here, specifically ones that have sensor training or have been able to recognize some of this movement real quick. So, if you guys can please roll that real quick. Okay. While this is still rolling, Mr. Nuccetelli, real quick, yes or no answers, are you aware of anything in the U.S. Government ar- senal that can split a Hellfire missile like this? Ms. LEE. No. Mrs. LUNA. And do whatever blob thing it did and then keep going? Nothing? Mr. NUCCETELLI. Nothing. Mrs. LUNA. All right. How about you, Chief Wiggins? Chief WIGGINS. Nothing to my knowledge, ma’am. Mrs. LUNA. Okay. And how about you, Mr. Borland? Mr. BORLAND. I prefer to answer that in SCIF. Mrs. LUNA. Okay. Does this video scare you guys? Yes or no? Mr. NUCCETELLI. Yes. Mrs. LUNA. Wiggins?
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