Restoring Public Trust Through Uap Transparency and Whistleblower Protection

41
there a long time. The public senses that it is real, and the people
in authority dismiss them. It is a game that’s been going on a long
time, and I do not think they are ever going to release it. I think
that there is an attitude among the people that have been involved
in this for a long time that the public does not deserve to know and
that the public probably cannot handle it, but they can.
Mr. BEGICH. Final question. Again, this one is open to anyone
who would like to answer it. Describe your understanding of the
org chart or lines of control within the executive branch with re-
spect to these topics. And if you would like to address that in a
SCIF, feel free to say so.
Mr. BORLAND. That could work as long as I am legally allowed
to, and you are legally allowed to receive it.
Mr. KNAPP. I think these programs are in the executive branch,
the National Security Council, and over on that side. That seems
to be what some of our witnesses have told us over the years. So,
you can—you know, Congress can file all kinds of requests. The
FOIAs can be filed with the Department of Defense, Department
of War now, and they can honestly say, well, we do not have it be-
cause they do not have it.
Mr. BEGICH. Thank you. Is there anything in my remaining 30
seconds that you would like to share on any of these questions that
I have asked you today?
Mr. KNAPP. I applaud the Committee for trying to tackle this
monster of an issue. I really appreciate that it is actually—it might
be the only bipartisan issue in Washington where everybody can
agree. We have watched multiple hearings now. Everyone is asking
the same kind of questions, whether right or left, and honestly
want the answers. And, you know, Chairman Luna—Chairwoman
Luna, your—I appreciate your dedication to this, Tim Burchett and
the other Members, for sticking with it because, you know, it has
come up in Congress before, and they had hearings, and then they
dropped it for 50 years. So, it is going to take a time—a lot of time
to get to the bottom of this, and I applaud your commitment to get-
ting to the truth.
Mrs. LUNA. Thank you, Mr. Knapp. Pursuant to Committee rule
IX(c)——
Mr. BURLISON. Madam Chair, can I ask a parliamentary question
of you?
Mrs. LUNA. Yes, sure.
Mr. BURLISON. Does this Subcommittee have the authority to do
subpoenas?
Mrs. LUNA. Task Force. So, the Task Force, to answer that ques-
tion, has to do it through full Committee.
Mr. BURLISON. Okay.
Mrs. LUNA. And also in regards to immunity, which to Mr.
Borland’s point, we are going to be doing a motion to ask for immu-
nity for you and a few other people to come into a SCIF and tell
us what you know without being subject to the Espionage Act, et
cetera.
Mr. BORLAND. Thank you, ma’am.
Mrs. LUNA. So, that is just kind of an update. But as a Task
Force, because we are not a full Subcommittee and there are cer-
tain authorities that have not been granted to us probably because