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This is the printed transcript of a September 9, 2025 hearing held by the U.S. House Oversight Committee's Task Force on the Declassification of Federal Secrets, chaired by Rep. Anna Paulina Luna. The witnesses were Jeffrey Nuccetelli, Alexandro Wiggins, George Knapp, Dylan Borland and Joe Spielberger. They described UAP incursions at Vandenberg Air Force Base from 2003 to 2005 and a tic-tac-shaped object seen from USS Jackson in 2023. Members criticized AARO and called for whistleblower protections and the UAP Disclosure Act.
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38 UAPs, it is about government integrity, responsible use of taxpayer funds, and Congress’ constitutional duty to oversee the executive branch. I have heard evidence of critical information hidden in special ac- cess programs, off-limits to virtually every elected representative, and certainly to the public. Credible witnesses report retaliation for speaking out. These are clear attempts to silence those who are ex- posing the truth. We must protect the whistleblowers, and decades of government disinformation have eviscerated public trust. So, this is not a partisan matter. It is a constitutional matter. And when you talk about the VA, Mr. Spielberger, and all the problems that they had, the hub of that was Phoenix, and they went after the whistleblowers there, and that was under the Obama administration. So, it does not matter which administra- tion, which party. Both parties have got to come clean, particularly on this. So, the government thinks it can hide the truth and punish those who speak out. Congress has to keep pushing until the facts, whatever they are, wherever they lead, come to light. Let me go to you, Mr. Knapp, first. You have interviewed numer- ous UAP whistleblowers over the years. The question is, how do you verify their claims before deciding they are credible enough to report on? Mr. KNAPP. It is a combination of factors. First, you check their credentials. Did they really serve where they said they did, and did they work where they said they did? Are there any other wit- nesses? Is there visual proof, film footage, things of that sort? You ask the people around them that know them, that used to work with them if they are credible people. That is one way. You know, I think about AARO, the organization that this body created to deal with witnesses and whistleblowers. I hope I am not taking too much of your time here, but they invited people to come forward, servicemembers who knew—saw things and had experi- ences. And I can tell you that the people that I have talked to who went through that are deeply disappointed. There was a guy named Bob Jacobs who was a lieutenant at- tached to Vandenberg in 1964. His unit would record missile tests. They recorded all of them. On one of those particular tests, a UFO comes out of nowhere, zaps what looks like a laser beam at what would have been a nuclear dummy, a nuclear weapon, and disabled it. And he is called into the commander’s office. Two guys in suits clip that film footage out that shows the UFO, and he has ordered to never talk about it. He comes forward to AARO. He heeds the call, thinking he is doing his duty as an American to tell that story, and they completely dismissed him. They made up a story that they had tracked down the original footage, and there was nothing like that in it. Well, there was no original footage. It had been taken away the day the footage was recorded. He is deeply dis- appointed. People like Bob Salas, who had worked at a nuclear ICBM base, who saw UFOs flying over the base, and these missile silos were taken down. He went to AARO too and was completely disregarded. It almost looks like AARO operated as a counterintelligence oper- ation to get people to come in, tell their stories, and then discredit all of them.
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