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This is the printed transcript of a September 9, 2025 hearing held by the U.S. House Oversight Committee's Task Force on the Declassification of Federal Secrets, chaired by Rep. Anna Paulina Luna. The witnesses were Jeffrey Nuccetelli, Alexandro Wiggins, George Knapp, Dylan Borland and Joe Spielberger. They described UAP incursions at Vandenberg Air Force Base from 2003 to 2005 and a tic-tac-shaped object seen from USS Jackson in 2023. Members criticized AARO and called for whistleblower protections and the UAP Disclosure Act.
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37 Mr. NUCCETELLI. So, it is very confusing why these objects would be operating in and around our bases or during training exercises. Mr. PERRY. It would lend you to believe that the U.S. Govern- ment had nothing to do with whatever it is you saw? Mr. NUCCETELLI. Correct. Mr. PERRY. They would not want it there because it would poten- tially interrupt the proceedings at the time. Was there an after ac- tion? Was there a discussion by your command? Was there an in- vestigation? Pretty significant activities that you were involved in. Was there an investigation that you know of? Mr. NUCCETELLI. We conducted investigations in real time—— Mr. PERRY. Right. Mr. NUCCETELLI [continuing]. And we document all the evidence, but as far as anything from higher up, I do not know if there was an investigation done. No information came down on what we should do. Mr. PERRY. Were you ever interviewed at someone else’s request? Mr. NUCCETELLI. About that incident? Mr. PERRY. Yes, about the incident. Mr. NUCCETELLI. I do not believe so. Mr. PERRY. Do you find that odd? If something happens, you are around multimillion, maybe billion-dollar operations and launches of national security interests, very sensitive. There is an anomaly in the operation—— Mr. NUCCETELLI. The only person witnessed it that saw a UAP at Vandenberg at that timeframe that was interviewed was the one that witnessed the thing land. They—— Mr. PERRY. Well, why would not—well, I do not know why I am asking you, but it seems to me that we would want to interview everybody associated, even not associated, to find out if they were associated. Chief Wiggins, how about you? Was there an investigation? Was there an after action? Was there documentation on the incident that you were privy to? Chief WIGGINS. No, sir, not that I know of. And in my previous experience as an operations specialist, all operations that I have been a part of have been deliberate, so—— Mr. PERRY. Yes. Chief WIGGINS. [continuing]. They are—— Mr. PERRY. And deliberate operations, after the operations, you conduct an after-action review—or that is what the Army calls it; I imagine the Navy has something similar—to determine your weaknesses, your successes. Did you do that in regard to this inci- dent? Chief WIGGINS. No, sir. The Navy calls it after-action reports, and not to my knowledge was there an after-action report of this incident, sir. Mr. PERRY. It is unfortunate. Thank you, Chair. I yield. Mrs. LUNA. I now recognize Mr. Biggs for 5 minutes. Mr. BIGGS. Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you to the wit- nesses for being here today. I will tell you that today’s testimony should alarm every Amer- ican, no matter their views on UAPs. This is not simply about
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