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This is the printed transcript of a September 9, 2025 hearing held by the U.S. House Oversight Committee's Task Force on the Declassification of Federal Secrets, chaired by Rep. Anna Paulina Luna. The witnesses were Jeffrey Nuccetelli, Alexandro Wiggins, George Knapp, Dylan Borland and Joe Spielberger. They described UAP incursions at Vandenberg Air Force Base from 2003 to 2005 and a tic-tac-shaped object seen from USS Jackson in 2023. Members criticized AARO and called for whistleblower protections and the UAP Disclosure Act.
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36 Mr. PERRY. It was not President Trump, right? Mr. BORLAND. No, sir. Mr. PERRY. Okay. So, you have a clearance, right? You are serv- ing in uniform. You have a clearance. Mr. BORLAND. Yes, sir. Mr. PERRY. Your story, you know, I think many of us are kind of picturing the scene. You walk out in the flightline, having a smoke, this event occurs. Do you have the perception, at least I do, based on your story that this involves the U.S. Government? What- ever you saw involves the U.S. Government? Mr. BORLAND. That is 100 percent my opinion then and now. Mr. PERRY. And was there an after action? Did you do a daily debrief of the activities of the day? Was any of that recorded? Was there a conversation with the command? Was there any docu- mentation that you know of at the time? Mr. BORLAND. Not to my knowledge. I mean, like I said, I talked about it—on the ops Floor, and a couple of people had pulled me aside, some older enlisted, and were like, you probably want to keep that to yourself. Mr. PERRY. So, did you get the impression that they knew what you were talking about, just did not want you to harm your career or seem crazy, or that they did not really witness—do you know anybody else that witnessed what you saw? Mr. BORLAND. Again, not that night. Like I said, the only people that would have been out there would have been security forces and then those of us that were doing—— Mr. PERRY. Security forces in uniform or contract? Mr. BORLAND. Probably both. Mr. PERRY. Did you talk to them? Did anybody talk to them in an after action? Mr. BORLAND. Not to my knowledge, sir. Mr. PERRY. Was there any interest in the command to determine and verify what you saw? Mr. BORLAND. Not to my knowledge, sir. Mr. PERRY. It is unfortunate. Chief Wiggins, thank you for your service. Gentlemen, thank all of you for your courage to be here. Your story is a little bit different. Sounds like it—well, for both of you guys, and also Mr. Nuccetelli, if this were sanctioned by the U.S. Government, even though you have a clearance but it is classi- fied above the clearance level, do you see any reason why they would allow you access, being present, viewing it, hearing it, you know, being around it? Is this an accident? Does the U.S. Govern- ment make these kind of accidents, mistakes like this? Like, oh, we are doing this test of this new system, and we forgot these guys were standing here. Does that sound like something that the U.S. Government would do? Mr. NUCCETELLI. No, sir. Some of the launches we were doing were like $5 billion projects that had taken like ten years to de- velop the technology, and these objects were coming right up to the launchpad. So, any kind of mistake, I mean, we could—it could cause a catastrophe. Mr. PERRY. Right.
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