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This is the printed transcript of a September 9, 2025 hearing held by the U.S. House Oversight Committee's Task Force on the Declassification of Federal Secrets, chaired by Rep. Anna Paulina Luna. The witnesses were Jeffrey Nuccetelli, Alexandro Wiggins, George Knapp, Dylan Borland and Joe Spielberger. They described UAP incursions at Vandenberg Air Force Base from 2003 to 2005 and a tic-tac-shaped object seen from USS Jackson in 2023. Members criticized AARO and called for whistleblower protections and the UAP Disclosure Act.
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32 who do come forward, essentially whether they will continue in their role as an independent watchdog or basically become a lapdog for a current or future President. Ms. LEE. Thank you. And I will take no more liberties. I yield back. Mrs. LUNA. Thank you. I now recognize Mr. Crane for 5 minutes. Mr. CRANE. Thank you, Ms. Chairwoman, for holding this hear- ing. Thank you to the witnesses for appearing. In the effort of transparency here, I got to admit to the witnesses that, you know, growing up, I really never believed in UFOs or any of this stuff. I always thought it was a little kooky and whatnot. But, you know, after hearing, you know, your testimony from hon- orable servicemembers, watching videos like my colleague, Mr. Burlison, just presented, you know, I got to admit, I have become a believer, not that I know where these things come from or, you know, what they really are up to. I would like to start with asking the witnesses, Mr. Nuccetelli, you were in the Air Force, right? Mr. NUCCETELLI. Yes. Mr. CRANE. Did you believe in UFOs prior to your encounter? Mr. NUCCETELLI. I have always been interested. Mr. CRANE. Okay. Chief Wiggins, you are currently in the Navy. Is that correct? Chief WIGGINS. Correct. Mr. CRANE. Did you believe in UFOs before your encounter? Chief WIGGINS. I did. I am from Las Vegas, and I have watched George Knapp my whole life. Mr. CRANE. Okay. What about you, Mr. Borland? Mr. BORLAND. I have always been open to where facts go, so—— Mr. CRANE. Were you guys scared or hesitant to come forward and tell your story because of fear and believing that you might be reprimanded or ostracized from society because of your stories? Mr. Nuccetelli? Mr. NUCCETELLI. Yes, absolutely. I probably would not have come forward if I did not have documentation to prove some of my story. And I also would not have come forward without the people that paved the way for us in, you know, the first Congressional hearing. Mr. CRANE. Chief, what about you? Chief WIGGINS. Once I got the okay from the Navy from top down, that gave me a level of relief. Prior to that, I did not have any thought left or right of that. But I think the Navy to give me the go ahead and that gave me the relief that I would not have any level of reprisal or anything happen to me. Mr. BORLAND. Mr. Borland, how about you? Mr. BORLAND. Absolutely. I mean, after I went through every- thing, it was pretty clear that I caused a major issue in the execu- tive branch, so I did what I was supposed to do. And that is why I have not spoken publicly. That is why I am happy to be here be- cause this is how I wanted this to be done in regards to me. Mr. CRANE. Mr. Borland, why do you think that you faced rep- rimand and discipline for your effort to come forward and be trans- parent about what you saw?
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