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This is the printed transcript of a September 9, 2025 hearing held by the U.S. House Oversight Committee's Task Force on the Declassification of Federal Secrets, chaired by Rep. Anna Paulina Luna. The witnesses were Jeffrey Nuccetelli, Alexandro Wiggins, George Knapp, Dylan Borland and Joe Spielberger. They described UAP incursions at Vandenberg Air Force Base from 2003 to 2005 and a tic-tac-shaped object seen from USS Jackson in 2023. Members criticized AARO and called for whistleblower protections and the UAP Disclosure Act.
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30 way with reverse engineering exploitation of nonhuman intel- ligence craft? Mr. BORLAND. Yes, we are going to have to call—we are going to have to have a conversation in SCIF for that, whether I am legally even allowed to answer that and whether you are even allowed to hear it, sir. Mr. BURLISON. Okay. Again, you can sense our frustration. And so, I just want to thank you for coming forward. We will continue to fight because, look, this is about making sure that this govern- ment belongs to the people and restoring the republic the way it was intended to be. Madam Chair, I also have further witnesses of courageous indi- viduals. It was given to me by Dr. Steven Greer, including Michael Herrera and his testimony. We have Roderick Castle and his testi- mony; Randy Anderson, his testimony; Steven Digna, and others, three others, all saying similar things to what the witnesses today have said, and I would like to enter that into the record as well. Mrs. LUNA. No objection. Mr. BURLISON. Thank you. Mrs. LUNA. I now recognize Representative Lee for 5 minutes. Ms. LEE. Thank you, Madam Chair. I think we need to make sure that we do not get distracted by sensational stories, only of unidentified anomalous phenomena, and lose track of what the core of this hearing is about. This is all a perfect example of why whistleblowers are so important and why it is so important that we step up and protect them. With Trump, RFK Jr., Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) Administrator Lee Zeldin, and others committed to dismantling government and firing professionals who do dare to speak out against the threats this administration’s disastrous policies create, we have to focus on protecting all whistleblowers, not only the ones who are reporting on UAP. I would like to thank the whistleblowers who have agreed to come before the Committee today and speak their truth. This ad- ministration claims to care about waste, fraud, and abuse, and so often, it is whistleblowers who care and who are the tip of the sword fighting against the real waste, fraud, and abuse. One study found that whistleblowers exposed fraud at more than twice the rate of third-party auditors. So, Mr. Spielberger, what are some of the best examples of whis- tleblowers exposing fraud and abuse in the Federal Government? Mr. SPIELBERGER. Thank you, Congresswoman. Again, whistle- blowers have played such a vital role across so many different issues. One prominent example goes back to the 2014 VA waitlist scandal. POGO actually played a very instrumental role coordi- nating with Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America. At that time, we received tips and whistleblower disclosures from over 800 different individuals talking about the VA subjecting veterans to extensive wait times in order to get the basic standard of care that they deserve. It certainly prolonged serious illnesses, even contrib- uting to hastened deaths. And we were able to help shed more light on that issue, which I think just emphasizes the importance even outside of the national security context. We are often still talking about serious issues and even life and death concerns.
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